From what I’ve read the “brigades” in question have claimed responsibility for a lot of things, including Turkey bombings, and the UN headquarter attack. They also claimed they were responsible for the August blackouts. Remember the obscure Palestinian group that claimed responsibility for 9/11? Although, this tragedy does reek of AQ, I don’t think that at this stage confessions like this mean anything.
Cite?
Has anybody heard from RedFury? I seem to recall he lived in Spain, although I’m not sure he was from Madrid.
RedFury, I hope you’re OK. I hope you drop in on this thread to let us know you’re all right.
My heart aches for Spain - an incredibly beautiful country with great people and a proud culture.
I guess we are all Spaniards now.
excuse me, but BULL SHIT!
This is not solid evidence that the war on terror has not been successful. However, it is solid evidence that the war on terror is still ongoing and the fight must go on. What’s the alternative? Ignore them while they continue to slaughter innocent people and hope they go away? I think not.
Given that huge numbers of them have been kileld and locked away, and the jury is still out on who did this attack, I’d say it’s premature, at least, to say that terrorists are still at large. Of course, there are still terrorists at large, but we don’t know if this is Al Quaeda, the ETA, an splinter faction not yet targeted of one of the above, or a third group entirely.
It’s going to take a long time to kill off Islamofascist terror in all it’s forms. AL Quaeda is not the only threat and it’s not the only one we’ve been acting against.
It will also require much more on our part then blowing them off the face of the earth. We’ll need to address some of the underlying issues of why these people are pissed at us in the first place.
And don’t give me the “they hate freedom” crap.
There are some other possibilites.
AQ may have helped some ETA extremists. Recruited them, and then planned the attack and let ETA do the job.
As far as this reflects the War on Terror and Bush goes, well, we have not won the war that is clear. I hope the US fully supports Spain in investigating this crime and finding those responsible. I hope that is the action that President Bush takes and I hope President Kerry will continue that support in '05.
I agree, but that ain’t the ‘War on Terror’ - that’s what would have happened anyway, without the necessity for gung-ho titles.
Or maybe, just maybe, implement policies and actions that actually adress the problem, instead of, I don´t know, invading Iraq under the pretence of combating terrorism…
So America is now responsible for security of every country in the world? :rolleyes: You really are a simple little fool, Rjung.
What? You mean they aren’t?
Hmmm, what the bloody hell were they fighting in Iraq for then?
Either time?
It is hardly surprising that some people think that America is responsible for the world’s security; American participation in and precipitation of wars in modern times surely suggests that America strives to be just exactly that.
Is it really so surprising that people are starting to believe and expect it?
I don’t suppose anyone here reads Basque and can tell us what the original said, but apparently ETA has now denied responsibility:
Another source says ETA also called in the denial to the Basque TV station:
http://www.elpais.es (front page story as of my posting)
“El ministro de Interior, Ángel Acebes, ha vuelto a insistir en que el principal sospechoso es ETA, pero la organización ha negado su responsabilidad mediante una llamada a la televisión vasca. Las pesquisas policiales concluyen además que los detonadores y explosivos no son los usados habitualmente por ETA.”
Trans. * Interior Minister Angel Acebes, has once again insisted that the primary suspect is ETA, but the organization has denied responsibility through a telephone call to Basque TV. In addition, police conclude that the detonators and explosives are not those normally used b ETA.*
(Links to additional stories on El País link.) Does anyone know whether ETA has ever denied responsibility for an attack which was later shown to be their responsibility?
Paddy Woodworth, an Irish journalist who lived in the Basque country for years and has written a (very good BTW) book on ETA, was on the television a short time ago saying he couldn’t remember them ever doing so.
Considering that wasn’t what I wrote, I can only conclude your reading comprehension skills are as fucked up as you are.
Really, what would be the point? If you’re a terrorist, and you think your actions are going to promote your cause, what would be the point of not claiming responsibility? It would be like having a commercial without the name of the product or the company.
We’ll I did wonder what the hell M-life was for awhile.
RedFury was from Spain, but IIRC, his last location listing was the Dominican Republic. No doubt, if RFs able to, he’s busy trying to find out what happened and check on his family’s (if any) well being, not to mention that I’m sure he’s doing whatever he can to help his fellow countrymen.
I’m curious as to how the investigations of this event are going to turn out. Spain has found a lot of folks prepping for some kind of attack in recent months, and yet they were unable to stop this one. Was it because their intelligence agencies made the same kind of screw ups that US agencies made before 9/11, or was this group perfectly hidden? Or did the US intelligence agencies have information about this attack, but didn’t turn it over to the Spanish because it would “compromise” US sources of intelligence?
Sadly, I don’t think that very many folks have learned the most important thing they should have from 9/11: Some events should not be used for political football!
This massive protest is really something special, but I have to ask: is this a common European response, is it a Spanish one or is it unique in itself?
The other thing that’s nagging at me is that, as moved as I am about this national demonstration, I’m also a bit jealous. I wish Americans had marched on September 12.
Marches and all that jazz is quite SOP after an ETA attack in Spain; as a side note, even here (Uruguay, mostly Spaniard and Italian decendency) there was a march to the Spanish embassy, have I had known about it in advance I would have attended it.
It may be a Spanish trait, I don´t know, but certainly this is not unheard of.