Dauphin still dead

In the morning paper, there was a report that the kid who died in 1795 was really the dauphin. Apparently, some doctor had kept his heart as a souvenir and they were able to compare its DNA with some from Marie Antoinette’s hair.

Cecil’s column is at http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_121.html .

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20000420/t000037245.html

No comment.

“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen

Here is a Los Angeles Times article discussing the results of the recent DNA testing done on the preserved (in alcohol) heart of the supposed Dauphin.

A Telltale Heart Ends a Royal Mystery in France

I do disagree with one point made in the article. The article says

Of course, I do not approve the imprisonment and death of a child, but it seems to me easy to understand why the revolutionaries would prefer a dead Louis XVII. The child, if allowed to reach adulthood, would be the focus of many plots to restore the monarchy. In the article, a historian makes a comparison to killing Mrs. Hitler. The difference is that the king was an inherited position, whereas Hitler’s chancellorship was not. So was the decision cruel? Yes. Needlessly? debatable.

Sorry, Notthemama, I swear I didn’t see your post first! You must have posted during a board “slowdown”.

why did the revolutionaries refer to the king and dauphin by the last name “Capet”? I appreciate that Hugh Capet was the founder of the line of French kings, but by the time of the revolution there had been several changes of dynasty - Valois and Bourbon, for example. So why Louis Capet?


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Wow, not only did I beat Arnold to a link, but he apologized to me for it! What a triumph!

But I can afford to be generous in victory. Arnold, your link is much prettier than mine, plus you added a very nice comment. Well done! :smiley:

All I could have said would have been an observation to the effect that perhaps now certain French Royalists can “obtainez une vie”. :rolleyes:

“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen

jti asks:

Because Louis XVI was descended fom Hugh Capet by strictly male lineage (Salic Law, although the custom appears largely to have been invented to satisfy the power-hunger of Louis X’s brothers, and to keep Isabelle of France, Louis X’s sister and Edward III of England’s mother, well away from the French throne – not a bad idea per se). The descent is from Robert, Count of Clermont, fourth son of St. Louis (IX). The division into Capetians, Valois, and Bourbons marks (some) breaks in the direct succession, and is largely a convenience for historians.


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And now, another news flash just in:

Gen. Franco Francissimo of Spain is still dead.

Peace.

Generalissomo Francisco Franco :smiley:

But yes, he is still dead. :slight_smile:

Heh, I mean Generalissimo :o