Dear El Presidente Obama, a minor point of etiquette

According to this cite, Obama blew it by bowing while simultaneously shaking hands. The author says this is a faux pas in Japanese ettiquette and is evident in Akihito’s polite smile of embarrassment.

I have no idea if this is correct or not, but if so I can’t believe that after giving U.K.'s brown a gift of CDs, bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia, and Michelle patting the Queen of England on the back, Obama still doesn’t have someone looking into the proper protocol for visiting heads of state.

Apparently the Queen of England meeting wasn’t a failure–the Queen really liked Michelle, and she’s not exactly the warmest of people.

Plus, the Queen hugged Michelle first, so you really can’t blame this on the Obamas or “kids today.” Sorry, SA.

Really love the description of the queen’s hand edging towards the small of Mrs. O’s back. Sizzling!

If you will recall, I don’t blame anything on the kids of today. It’s their liberal predecessors who are at fault. :wink:

It is a sign of respect. These are world leaders. Get over it.

I know some people prefer the W approach of launching the tomahawks, or threatening to, but 'Bama is a little too grown up to rush to that.

I wonder if it’s possible to safely assess the competence of a president by gauging the validity of the criticisms leveled against him. Probably not. But if so, Obama is an outstanding president, because this criticism is fucking stupid.

How you imagine an American president should behave isn’t important. What’s important is the result. This president has the respect of the other leaders of the world–pretty universally, as far as I can tell. That’s the result. So, I’m guessing his judgment is more effective that your “protocol.”

Goddamn, it’s nice having an adult president. Maybe we’ll have an adult electorate someday.

Who the fuck gives a shit? A courteous person bows. A courteous person doesn’t mind indulging in pointless but harmless traditions. Only a dipshit makes a big deal of this.

The right wing has so little to bitch about nowadays. This is desperation. I doubt he will run around holding hands with Saudi oil sheiks. That would be interesting. This is not.

What do you care if the President wants to bow or not? It doesn’t change anything legally about the power dynamic. It’s just a sign of respect and gives him good face with people who like to be bowed to.

Unless he rolls over on his back with his arms and legs in the air, it’s not a gesture of submission.

Obviously you don’t understand etiquette. We have to give them Guam now.

Actually, I think that’s how you’re supposed to greet royalty in most Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc).

Apropos of very little, the wikipedia article George H. W. Bush Vomiting Incidentrequires cleanup. Suddenly, life is worth living again.

I thought the proper protocol was to give them unexpected shoulder grabs.

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What Scandinavian countries are left? And don’t even try saying Finland, or I’ll send the hamsters after you. :slight_smile:

Also, what Scandinavian countries have the juice to make anyone at all prostrate themselves?

:smack:

Actually, we did have a king for about two months.

But he was elected king - that seems kind of lame. You have to be born to it, or strangle the previous king on his throne and take the crown for your own to really get some respect.

The Kingdom of Norway chose their king after breaking away from Sweden (At least, I think it was Sweden). That was back in, oh, what – 1905?

Hot monarch-on-girl action!

So did the Prime Minister.