Dear environmental activists: why do you look up to Vandana Shiva?

Is it because of her historical denialism?

[QUOTE=The Green Revolution in the Punjab]
The Green Revolution has been a failure.
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After all, it’s not like it was predicted in the 60s that millions in India would starve, and the Green Revolution and advances proposed by Borlaug and co. saved upwards of a billion lives, millions in India alone by more than tripling the agricultural yields. But then again, how could it have been a success?

Is it perhaps because of her solid, down-to-earth thought process, strong evidence, and dedication to science?

[QUOTE=Vandana Shiva’s Crusade Against Genetically Modified Crops | The New Yorker]
In a recent speech, Shiva explained why she rejects studies suggesting that genetically engineered products like Pental’s mustard oil are safe. Monsanto, she said, had simply paid for false stories, and “now they control the entire scientific literature of the world.” Nature, Science, and Scientific American, three widely admired publications, “have just become extensions of their propaganda. There is no independent science left in the world.”
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Or is it perhaps because of her amazing inability, just like most of the rich morons who post about how awful non-organic farming is, to check her privilege?

[QUOTE=Vandana Shiva’s Crusade Against Genetically Modified Crops | The New Yorker]

Vandana Shiva was born in Dehradun, in the foothills of the Himalayas. A Brahmin, she was raised in prosperity.
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Maybe it’s because she’s on the pulse of the Indian people?

[QUOTE=same new yorker article]
“Why do rich people tell us to plant crops that will ruin our farms?” Narhari Pawar asked. Pawar is forty-seven, with skin the color of burnt molasses and the texture of a well-worn saddle. “Bt cotton is the only positive part of farming,” he said. “It has changed our lives. Without it, we would have no crops. Nothing.”
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[QUOTE=Shiva]

In India...the collection of royalties from seed has led to Monsanto controlling 95 percent of the cottonseed supply, 95 percent through a monopoly, not through the choice of the farmers, as it’s often made out to be. Farmers are getting indebted because the price of seed jumped 8,000 percent, and there’s no option...

Two hundred and seventy thousand Indian farmers have committed suicide since Monsanto entered the Indian seed market. That’s more than a quarter-million. It’s a genocide.

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[QUOTE=http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/files/pubs/pubs/dp/ifpridp00808.pdf]

We first show that there is no evidence in available data of a “resurgence” of farmer suicides in India in the last five years. Second, we find that Bt cotton technology has been very effective overall in India. However, the context in which Bt cotton was introduced has generated disappointing results in some particular districts and seasons. Third, our analysis clearly shows that Bt cotton is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for the occurrence of farmer suicides. In contrast, many other factors have likely played a prominent role.
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Honestly, the more I read about this person, the more she disgusts me. She’s basically the worst kind of over-privileged environmental fearmonger. Listen to me, you disgusting shit-for-brains. If you weren’t born rich and privileged, it might have been your family barely staving off starvation. I wonder what your opinion on the green revolution would have been if you had been among the farmers you’re campaigning for? You stupid, dishonest, shitbag. Borlaug’s dead, and you’re still here, dancing on his fucking grave. There is no justice. And to her legion of hero-worshipping fans: do some basic fucking research. She’s got ideological blinkers the size of hubcaps, or she’s lying her ass off, or both. I honestly don’t really care which at this point.

I’ve heard some of the (long debunked) claims, but never knew there was a name attached to them, to be honest.

I went to a pinko college, and in one class, we read Biopiracy for a seminar. I came to the seminar loaded for bear, referencing page numbers where she made claims and then the primary sources that showed she was at best terrible at reading comprehension but more likely just a liar about what people said.

A fellow student implied that I was a racist by holding her to white academic standards (which is of course one of the most racist things you can say). The professor later apologized to me for the reading selection, saying he too had been appalled by the book and had committed the cardinal sin of assigning a book he’d not read first.

She must be doing something right - she gets $40,000 per speech at American universities (plus round trip airfare from New Delhi). Downtrodden she’s not (which hasn’t stopped her from attacking far better-informed opponents as “privileged white men”).

One thing Shiva’s fan club likes to gloss over is her misrepresentation of her academic credentials. Rather than being a “PhD in nuclear physics”, it seems that she actually has a degree in philosophy.

All in all, a real prize.

Not much difference between quantum theory and philosophy, you know. Heisenberg and uncertainty? Schrödinger and his cat?

This thread is good evidence that the dope is NOT so mindlessly left-wing that any cause or celebrity on the left is automatically worshipped.

My favorite thing Shiva says:

“Privileged”. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

LOL. This is amazing.

I posted on my facebook about my contempt for this woman, and someone responded with “yeah, but fertilizers cause environmental problems”. I pointed out that without fertilizers we’d basically be shit out of luck with the whole “feeding people” issue, and got this response:

“Quite simply yes , we need less humans so earth can survive. Not sure if that’s what she meant but that’s what I believe”

…Obviously, from someone in the first world who has never gone hungry and wouldn’t go hungry if the world food supply suddenly collapsed. Dear person who wrote that: I love you, but holy shit that was the dumbest fucking thing you’ve ever said. It’s horribly offensive, morally repugnant, and privileged beyond belief that.

(Also I am so, so sorry for showing you and your boyfriend Zeitgeist. That was before I knew what rational inquiry was.)

For a minute, I read that as you having shown this thread to a poster named Zeitgeist.

Who?

What bothers me about this more than anything is that these people still have the kind of credence necessary for professors at otherwise respectable colleges to recommend their material without reading it first. Sure, that classmate of yours is a colossal douchebag, but what the hell is it bout this movement that makes people so uncritical about it? Why the fuck does Shiva get a free pass on this?

I’m no fan of the Monsantos of the world, and the “Green Revolution” hasn’t done jack for Africa yet, but I don’t look up to Shiva and I don’t personally know any other greenie who does.

The reason that successes in Asia haven’t been duplicated in Africa is not that plant breeding technology is flawed. Africa is going to requireall the tools available to developed nations in order to meet its food needs.

And this is where people like Vandana Shiva do the most harm. By spreading false information and fearmongering about GMOs, she is putting people with limited food choices at risk.

Well-off Westerners can buy organic at their local Whole Paycheck (or equivalent). That’s not a choice available to the vast majority in developing nations.

“Zeitgeist” is what BPC calls his butt.

Yeah, dunno how I forgot to mention this in the OP, but one of the things Shiva is famous for is advocating that the Indian government reject aid from the US after the 1999 typhoon because it was GMO. 'Scuse me, you stupid overprivileged rich fuckbag, but people are dying here. The Indian government, to its credit, were not both retarded and malicious. Not so the government of Zambia and Zimbabwe. And this is where people like Shiva and Greenpeace (who were involved in the Zimbabwe issue) go from obnoxious, harmful cranks to downright monsters, responsible for the suffering and death of millions. They basically go from Jenny McCarthy to Peter Duesburg.

…Aight, that was pretty good. Not gonna lie. :smiley:

I’m aware of this - I’ve got nothing against the breeding techniques of the GR or the later GMOs. It’s the politics of it that I don’t like.

Malawi has started a fertilizer subsidy program thats had some success in increasing grain yields and reducing the amount the country has to import. And there’s a new hybrid rice that was having some sucess in Guinea, but the ebola thing is probably going to disrupt that for a while.

We’re so left-wing that we’re beyond left. The whole thread is meant ironically. It’s like we’re suit and tie wearing, hemp destroying, socialist bashing hipsters, man.
Also: insert Shiva worshipper joke here

She tells them what they already believe and want to be true, see also anti-vaxxers, anti-gay, racists, etc. She confirms a deeply held belief, always good for some moola.

And colossal racist douche bags like the classmate probably care for some reason that a woman from India is delivering the message, their critics can’t argue with her because SHE IS FROM INDIA! Can’t argue with that can you rich white guy?:smack:

You betrayed Shiva! Thum Shiva Ke Vishwasth Karthe Ho! You betrayed Shiva!

(More of a reference than a joke, though).

You sure do have a lot of retarded facebook friends.