Dear Saturn (car company)

Okay, Saturn, I bought one of your cars back in 1993. It was my very first brand new car. I was 18. You can only imagine how excited I was. It’s all been downhill from there, because you people are horrible, miserable people, and I dread every instance when I have to interact with you in any way.

I will try to stay focused in this rant. This rant is not about the car. This is not about the two alternators that I went through in less than three months. This is not about the endless break problems. This is not even about the air conditioning system, which was the most recent thing to go wrong. This is about you, the people who work at Saturn. I hate you people.

Two years ago, I took the car in for the A/C. You put in a new compressor, to the tune of $350. Less than a year later, the A/C went south again. I suffered through last summer. But this year, I figured I’d bite the bullet and at least get an estimate. So last Wednesday, I brought you my car. And you told me I needed two new parts, both of which were leaking. You gave me an estimate of $1630. I picked my car up twenty minutes later. I have a friend who is a mechanic, and was willing to do the repairs for me. He called you. You explained that the parts (these are “dealer parts only” wouldn’t you know, and as such can only be obtained from Saturn) would run $576 for both. Which means that YOU PIGFUCKERS WERE GOING TO CHARGE OVER $1000 FOR LABOR ALONE!

I got the parts used for less than $150. Said friend fixed the car on Saturday. However, we needed one more part. A little teeny clip that holds the cables to the temperature controls in place. I called around. What do I find? Ah, yes. This is, of course, a dealer part. I call the Saturn dealership near work. The guy had NO CLUE what part I was talking about! I described the part to him, I explained what it looks like, what it does, etc. He says to me, “There’s no such part in a Saturn.” I tell him, “I’ve seen it! I know it’s there!” So the smartass says to me, “If you have it, then why are you calling?” “Because one of mine is broken. Just look up the part.” So he looks it up. Says it’s called a Retainer Clip. Says it costs $16.40. This fucking thing is the size of a fucking paper clip, and you bastards charge over $16 for it. You people make me sick! I tell the guy I’ll call back later.

Later I decide to call the dealership closer to home. I call, the guy gives me the same story. There is no such part. I explain to him where the part is. He doesn’t know what I mean by “temperature control panel.” I say, “Pretend you’re sitting in the car. Below the radio, there are some buttons and things that you push to make the car hot or cold.” Suddenly, the lightbulb comes on. He tells me to hold on. I hear him ask someone something. I hear another guy explaining how the A/C and heat works. This gives me great confidence in your service people :rolleyes: Guy gets back on the phone. He can’t find the part. I tell him to look under “Retainer Clip” since that’s what the other place called it. He says, “If you already called another dealership, why are you calling me?” I tell him to please just look it up. He finds the part. Tells me it costs over $10, and why don’t I go to a regular parts store. I tell him I’d rather do that, but I have no choice. He says, “Well, if you don’t want it from Saturn, I won’t order it for you.” “Just order it.” “No, you said you didn’t want it.” “JUST ORDER THE PART!” He orders the part.

I go today to pick up the part. I walk into the Saturn dealership. I go to the counter and explain what I need. Perky girl behind the counter says I need to go next door to Pontiac. I don’t question this. I know better. I just go. I get to Pontiac and ask for my part. They point me to the back. I go to the back, I ask where I go to get my part. Bitchy chick rolls her eyes and tells me in a snippy tone that I need to go down further. I finally find the parts counter. I ask for my part. The guy says, “You ordered it meaning that you ordered it TODAY…or you ordered it meaning that you ordered it with enough time to get here?” I respond, “Ordered it meaning that I ordered it yesterday and they called today to say that it’s here NOW.” He brings the part. He rings it up. He says, “Damn! Hey lady, you won’t believe this, but it’ll cost you $11.79.” I hand him a 20. He looks at me as if I have horns coming out of my head. “No, no,” he laughs, “do you know where the Saturn building is?” (No, it’s fifty feet from here, and you share a driveway, and I just came from there, but I need directions). “Yes.” “You need to pay for it there.” I said, “Naturally.”

Let me take this opportunity to point out something: Anyone could have walked out of the Pontiac building and straight to their car with that part, without going anywhere near the Saturn building, much less paying for the part. Now, I am an honest person (although I admit to being tempted to take off, simply out of frustration). A lot of people aren’t as honest as I am. And a lot of parts are worth a hell of a lot more than 12 bucks. To rely on the honesty of people, especially if you treat the rest of your customers as shittily as you treat me, shows me just how fucking stupid you actually are. You practically deserve to be ripped of, you assholes.

Now, I am a fairly patient person. And I understand that you’re only doing your jobs. But it’s not enough that my car is a piece of shit. Oh, no. You have to make every encounter I have with you people as obnoxious as possible. All of your fucking parts are dealer parts. Fine, so you want to make sure that you get every possible cent. Fine by me. But when I call to ask about a part, I expect to speak to someone who knows what the fuck they’re talking about. And you never have the parts in stock do you? How the fuck do you work on cars every day if you don’t have any fucking parts?! And when I call and get transferred around and get sent here, there, and everywhere for an answer to one fucking question…Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhh! You just have to make every little thing as fucking difficult as possible, don’t you? Go feltch a goat.

Wow.

Feel better?

Just two quick comments:

Firstly, welcome to automobile ownership. Near as I can tell, most all of 'em are like that. Hell, when I first tried to change the air filter in my 1992 Geo /Metro I discovered that particular filter was still under patent by Nissan and would run me 40+ frickin dollars. But . . .

Secondly, your is the first rant of its type that I have ever heard about Saturn–cars or dealers. No point to make there, just mentioning.

andros, yes, I actually do feel better :slight_smile: Thanks for asking. Anyway, I know a bunch of people that are unhappy with their Saturns. Lessee…about…8 (including me) off the top of my head. I know two people that are happy with theirs. Most of us have the same complaints in my experience. Break problems, alternator problems, trans problems (actually I’ve --knock on wood–never had that yet). I understand that there is always wear and tear on a car and I accept that. But some of this shit is ridiculous. I kept the rant strictly to discussing the service because it would take several rants to explain the actual car itself.

I think my problems with the people there are compounded by my lack of a penis. I called after three months of ownership (the car was brand new when I bought it) to tell them the trans fluid was leaking. The guy chuckled and said, “And how did you determine that there was a leak of some sort?” He wouldn’t take my word for it. I had to put my dad on the phone. When I can avoid going to them for work, I do.

I know what the problem is…

…all the good Saturn people are out delivering new cars to people personaly. I bet a few are even out doing some shopping for their clients. :rolleyes:

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I for one will not be buying a Saturn. (Not that it ever occured to me to buy a Saturn, but now it’s a sure thing)

Saturn cars are built by GM. A company IMHO that is heading downhill fast. Quality has never been job one with them. If a mistake could be made GM has made it. I work now as an autoparts counterman. I get calls from dealerships and independent shops. Yes, it is harder to get parts for Saturns than some other cars. Many more parts seem to be avalable only at the dealer. My time working at a GM dealer in the early '80’s left me unimpressed with the engineers. One major complant I hear from auto mechanics is that engineers don’t work on the cars they design. I am sorry about your experiances with the dealer. As you said, not having a penis, some people having them think (and I use the term loosely) that you have no knowledge of what makes them work. Next time try a Honda or Toyota. Let Saturn main brass know about your situation. From what I remember, One well written letter can get you some releaf. Good luck.

BTW the word for the devices that slow down the car is spelled brakes.

(Edited the quote so as not to take up too much space. Hope that’s okay :))

See how pissed off these people made me? I re-read my damn rant 3 times and missed a simple spelling error. Then again, when I think of my particular car, maybe they should be called “breaks.”

Oh, and it’s “r-e-l-i-e-f” :wink:

I apologise in advance, but I can’t seem to help myself:

I thought it was spelled “r-o-l-a-i-d-s”. :smiley:
:: flees ::

Actually, I thought “break problems” was pretty funny!

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences. I think most of us have been through one version or another of this. I had a horrible time with my first car (a Chevy). Since then I’ve sworn off American cars. I’ve stayed away from Saturns because I’ve never really heard anything good about them. I’ve owned two Toyotas, and both were great cars. Never had a problem. I currently own a Hyundai, which I got mostly for the outstanding warranty. It’s so comforting to not have to worry about things breaking, even though I doubt anything will. So far it’s proven to be an excellent vehicle, and I’m impressed with Hyundai in general.

Um…sorry, my understanding is that although Saturn is affiliated with GM, Saturn is a seperate company. And I have one, and I love it. An SL2. I bought it new in 1991, and I have never regretted it. I would buy another one in a minute, should it ever become necessary.

GM would have probably stepped in and changed things if the Saturn company wasn’t going well, but since it IS doing well, my understanding is that they leave Saturn company alone, or at least that is what I have been told.

Sadly, GM (short for General Mismanagement, I believe) isn’t going to leave Saturn alone. It seems that GM, having botched the operation of its other divisions (note Oldsmobile is going to die as soon as they sell off all the cars they’ve built), has now decided that they’re going to bring Saturn closer to the fold, as it were.

Saturn can make good cars, everyone I’ve known who’s had one loves theirs, but you can’t disguise the fact that its a GM car and GM has had problems for a long time. (Ask Ross Perot what he thinks of GM, and remember, he’s been told to keep his mouth shut, but he’ll still tell you some pretty scary stories about his time there.)

I’d try writing the letter to whomever’s running Saturn this week (there’s been lots of management shake ups at GM of late), and see what that does. It can’t hurt.

My family owns two Saturns, a '93 and a '96. Both are over 100,000 miles, and have never sufferd any parts or workmanship problems that weren’t handled promptly and to our satisfaction. After I survived a wreck that would’ve likely killed me in my old truck while driving my wife’s car (which was easily and economically repaired), I bought a second one and have never regretted it. About 6 months ago I was nailed again, while sitting stopped at light (this time in the newer car), and again, it absorbed a very heavy hit with no injury to the occupants (my daughter and myself), and was quickly and econmically repaired.

Sorry to hear you got a lemon, but it does happen. As for me, I’ve never had trouble getting parts or work done on mine. Hell, they even taught me how to change-out the struts.

I’ll be buying more Saturns.

I"ve got a Honda, I went in last november to put on my winter tires, To my embarressment they were already on the car. They charged me nothing and didn’t give me shit about it. That alone has made me keep buying them(and the fact that I drive like a maniac and the car has held up for as long as it has helps).

I hate my Saturn too.

God, I hate that fucking car.

Its a 1995 Saturn SL1. The gear shifter sticks in park to the point that Ive learned how to rip up my entire middle console and tweak it from underneath to get it to shift out of park. My ignition wont give me my keys half the time.

Two alternators in less than one year.

Two A/C Compressors in two years.

The drivers side seat broke about a year ago… and my mom found a recall on it.

So I take it in… and they tell me… “Oh yeah… theres a recall… but we cant take it today. Bring it back next week.”

I bring it back next week. And what do they tell me? “Theres no recall.” Bullshit. “Well. theres a recall… but its not for THIS car.” Ohhhh… I must have the only 1995 Saturn SL1 that was built properly, eh?

So I go into the waiting room at the dealership and call their corporate office or whatever number they gave me to bitch at. I tell them “Look… Its shoddy construction, I looked at the gear myself and its got ittybiddy teeth that Im surprised held me for the year before it broke.”

“Well… thats not on recall.”

“Well… it needs to be. It broke. Why else would it have broke?!!”

“Well m’am… maybe the previous owner was heavyset.”

Oh no you just didn’t.

EXCUUUUUSE ME?!?!! Theres a fucking weight restriction on my car?!?!! Funny how the boys at the dealership sold it to my fatass without mentioning that, eh?

After a long, drawn out verbal battle and several phone calls… I spoke to someone high up enough to okay the fix and impatient enough to demand that it be done so I’d leave him alone.

I will rape myself with a broken tobasco bottle before I buy another Saturn.

God, I hate my car.

I’ll stick with GM, myself. My 96 Corsica is a peice of shit, but it can still stomp most of the Camrys (Camries?) I run across.

Those new straight sixes for the Blazer and it’s permutations look pretty sweet. I’m waiting for them to drop a version of it in the Monte…

Take it for granted that being a woman is going to get you a lot of that stupid stare from men-especially where cars are concerned.

Saturns have their problems; so do all other makes. If you have a big wad of cash and little concern for where you blow it, a Lexus dealer will try to make you feel as if you’re being serviced properly, but the parts are more expensive and more expensive to install.

I’ve owned all makes. I’ve had good ones and bad ones of all makes. A/C is a particular PITA.

So the best bet is to get a gig you can walk to. Rent a car when you need to go more than 500 yards. Otherwise, it’s all the same thing. The Curse of the Automobile.

By the way, 10.0. An excellent rant, with a level of hatred one usually reserves for inlaws, or childproof medicine bottle lids, or painful rectal beleeding
I’m impressed.

B.

Just a quick comment here, as someone brought up safety. Yes, I agree 100% that Saturns are some safe damn cars. I was in one hell of a wreck in 1996, and I honestly believe that I wouldn’t have walked away uninjured if it weren’t for that car. I’ve been rear-ended at 45mph (not exaggerating) with nary a scratch or dent. In fact, my husband researches car accidents for a living and he thinks Saturns hold up better than almost any car. For that, I will give them credit. But because of all the problems I’ve had (both mechanical and personnel), added to all the complaints I’ve heard from others over the years, I highly doubt I’ll buy another Saturn.

If it weren’t for the fact that we can’t afford it at the moment, I would have traded it in a while ago.
Oh, and Billy, thanks for the high rating. There’s few things in my life that I hold such contempt for, but my car is probably second. (My current boss is first right now, so you can only imagine what a dickwad he is).

FYI - Saturn is a GM subsidiary (just like Chevrolet.) My mistake if you knew this.

  • Rob

I’ve only had my Saturn (a 97) for less than 6 months, but I’ve never had any problems with it. Actually, the only complaint I had was with the sales rep…she was a dingbat. Very confused to say the least. She must’ve changed her story like 8 billion time. Regardless, I liked the car, so I ended up buying it anyways. Oh, and the seat belt keeps getting caught in the door. That’s starting to annoy me too.

I will be waiting with bated breath for the rant about your boss.

b.