Ahem, reading comprehension please, I have never once said that I have/own/drive an SUV
After all they’re EEEEVILLL…
That bit about the shiny bumper sticker was SARCASM
sheesh
:smack:
Pucky has a secret thing for Michael Jackson, it looks like. Saying odd things about Michael Jackson and SUVs. Personally, I think he’s just an odd, sad, pathetic little whiner.
Heeeeey, Puckster. Wanna know a secret? I don’t own a SUV.
I design them. Thaaat’s right. The Mercedes Vision GST. Alll mine. Mine mine mine.
Wanna know what’s worse? I did something even BIGGER. The Maybach. That’s my baby.
Tons and tons of car, Pucks. Now, let’s see you whine about it.
I can’t believe I just read this. Boggles the mind.
First off, you do realize some of the quotes you pulled earlier were sarcasm, right? Secondly, if you’re trying to prove that everybody thinks SUVs are a bad thing, how does that invalidate my summation of your argument, earlier?
You asked me if I’d take my next date to a biker bar. I replied that I had already done so. Now I’m somehow failing a test if I don’t go there all the time? Or if I don’t purposely frequent areas that have statistically higher rates of violent crime? What kind of mixed-up logic is that?
You keep trotting out the line “stereotypes have to get started somewhere” (and note, that’s a paraphrase). I’ve already pointed out that in at least two cases, commonly held stereotypes or beliefs weren’t true; one case was actually motivated by hate. I just thought of another belief (I hesitate to call it a stereotype) that Cecil has also dealt with – the “Proctor and Gamble support the Church of Satan” nonsense.
You are convinced the accident you witnessed was caused by poor driving on the part of the SUV driver. I’m saying that something else entirely could have caused the accident. The fact is, neither of us knows what actually happened. Could it have been an idiot driver? Of course. Could it have been something entirely outside the driver’s control? Of course. My point is, I’m willing to entertain the thought of other causes. You’d rather lump all SUV drivers into the same categories of “asshats” and “fuckwits.”
I think what you (and other SUV-driver-bashers) in this thread have experienced is similar to the “full-moon effect” believed by many cops and emergency room staff members. They think that there are higher instances of shootings, stabbings and other types of mayhem on nights with a full moon. Cecil pointed out that statistical analysis proves there weren’t any more instances of that type during a full moon; it’s just that the cops and doctors noticed them more when the moon was full.
You and others don’t notice the SUVs that are operated safely; you just notice the ones that aren’t. As you noted in your OP, there were two vehicles that had skidded off the road, one of which was an SUV. But you’re not complaining about the other one, right? Just the SUV.
Worldeater, that means you should be the most boggle-proof person on this board.
I thought you objected to stereotypes. So you are saying that jokes cannot perpetuate stereotypes?
So now you’re deliberately stereotyping some places as havens of crime?
Sounds pretty bigoted to me.
If Sauron took his family to Seatlle, he’d refuse to take raincoats on the grounds that it’s just a stereotypes that it rains a lot there.
And if it did not rain the one day he was there, Sauron would declare that he just proved the stereotype false.
And that goes double if he took his family to Seattle.
Is anyone else here having a bit of trouble believing this?
Nope. I know a guy that does some CNC programming and stereolithography prototyping for Rover UK. He showed me a photo of a Jaguar concept-car dash before the thing ever hit the auto shows.
Some reason you think a car designer can’t visit the SDMB?
As for the biker-bar argument, I went bowling once. Once. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Made a halfway decent score too, as I recall, 135 something, including a strike or two.
Haven’t been back in a decade. By your logic I should become a regular- just because I liked it once, I should make a habit of it. It’s apparently impossible to try something just once, is it? Everyone who’s ever been to Cats and liked it must now attend every week?
I don’t know, Pucks. If it’s true, I’m a non-German, on the east coast, apparently doing design work for DaimlerChrysler.
Anyone want to give odds on that being true? Anyone who knows the auto industry? Anyone?
Hey, Doc… How about, now you’ve remembered about it, going bowling sometime?
Well, it was fun, right? Seriously. I think I’m going to drag the guys to the alley this weekend… I havn’t thought about it much at all in ages, but you’re right, it was fun. Be a nice change.
Thanks for the idea!
Pucky, you do realize it’s possible to put multiple quotes in your message, right?
Simple questions, yes or no answer: Did you actually see the accident you railed about in the OP? Can you prove it was due to poor driving on the part of the SUV driver?
How about hooking someone up with your employee discount E-Sabbath? 
It would only take me about 10 years to save up.
Hey what if Sauron hitched a ride to Seattle, then he would be cool right?
[sub]Thanks I’ll be here all week[/sub]
Well, since I have a better than average chance (62 percent) of not being rained on in Seattle, I might not take a raincoat. It’d be awfully bulky to pack. Maybe a poncho.
Pucky, I think you need to look up the definitions of the words “stereotype” and “statistical analysis.” Let me give you a real-life example of each, using your ‘havens of crime’ approach.
Let’s say that the police determine the area of highest crime in Puckytown to be four square blocks downtown. They determine this through statistical analysis, comparing crime rates from all areas of the city. They can then say with confidence that more crime occurs in that area than in other areas of the city – at a rate of one violent crime per person per week.
Now, it may be that every single person who lives in that area is a criminal. We don’t know that, but it’s possible. It’s also possible that there are some decent, law-abiding citizens who happen to live in that area. The point is, we don’t know. All we know is that statistically, more crime happens in that area than in other areas of the city.
Now, if you meet someone from that area of the city, you may say “This person is a criminal because they live in a high-crime area.” But that is not necessarily true. You have stereotyped that person.
A: I don’t work for D-C.
B: Fun thing: As part of their contract, the higher ups in the company get X new cars a year as compensation. They then keep 'em for a while, and then resell them, on the cheap to people they like.
C: I drive a New Beetle at the moment… though I’m looking at the stretched A-Class with anticipation.
D: I am not lying, it’s a long, highly entertaining story that I’m not entirely sure I can ethically repeat, though I have not signed a NDA.
E: Remind me to tell you guys about the rear window in the C230 Coupe Hatch sometime.
F: Or the cowboy story. But not till our friend Pucky gets his just deserts.
G: Yes, I know, but with one S it is harsh and dry and gritty, not unlike being raped with a cactus.
H: I am, personally, in favor of using the most applicable tool to any situation. I am also in favor of owning as many tools as possible. I believe everyone should have access to at least two cars: A daily driver and a SUV. People in NYC may omit the first.
Not own, but have access to. Cars are many things to many people, and they all have their uses. The best thing is to make them all as safe and economical as humanly possible, while fufilling all other needs. Perceived safety is a very critical need. Your standard hausfrau with the Canyonero feels safer and more in command of the road than the one in the Datsun 510. And the need to feel safe is important to people. The trick is to make the Canyonero as friendly to everyone else as a GM Impact is.
We’re getting closer. Ye Maybach gets 25.7 MPG highway. It does a not-so-good 11.5 urban, and a vaugely decent 17.8 combined.
It has 550 horse, does 0-60 in 5.4, is 20 feet long, and brakes surprisingly well for a three ton car.
Ten years ago, that would have been impossible.
Ten years from now, the real hybrids will be hitting the streets. Trust me. The car companies want this as much as you do. For a purely explotative point of view, it means they can sell their big cars for much longer, if they get better performance economically out of them. There’s no conspiracy to defraud the customer. In fact, excepting General Motors, most people I know have a strong drive to make the best car possible for the customers they care for.
-You know, if he had a pintle hitch, one ring would bind them…
Okay, lame joke, but still…
Tony Montana: I never said you had an SUV. Reading comprehension? I SAID that you commented about the flag on your bumper never getting dirty, so you clearly weren’t taking your vehicle off-road.
And if that’s your idea of sarcasm, well, I wash my hands of you. Somewhere, Al Pacino is cringing but he doesn’t know why.