Dedicated to a Brother: The Last Time Around

Eh. We’re not exactly talking ginger here. I was saying that if he’d determined he didn’t want treatment, suggesting treatment might be disrespectful. But they did have this conversation and at the moment he is willing to try chemotherapy. We talked about it online for a while last night, and again this morning. I was worried my mom wasn’t giving him a realistic idea of what the chemo might do because my understanding is that it might give him a little more time, but the odds it will do even that are not very good. But it sounds like his doctor was straight with him in the conversation they had about it. We’re trying to find out more specifics about what this might involve.

More important than that stuff, maybe, is that he’s opened up a little bit about how he’s feeling about toughness and cowardice and hope, and doing things on his own, and what he wants to do. I asked him specifically what he’d like to do in the near term and he mentioned learning more about music, maybe playing the drums again. He’s working on his camp collage and wants to finish it. Maybe I can help with that.

I do. My girlfriend has been with me since before this started, so she knows all about it and I don’t have to explain everything. I’ve been talking to my friends and when I need to hash something out I can be on my own or post here. A few people have suggested looking into therapy but I’m just not interested. With regards to me and this situation I don’t see the point. I don’t see myself needing more time to talk and think about all this.

We’ve talked a little more about this chemotherapy idea and it sounds to me like he’s in denial about what this chemotherapy could offer. Depending on what drugs we’re talking about, they might reduce his symptoms (but not treat the tumor) or give him a short amount of extra time. Like weeks, perhaps. And he’s started talking about college and longer term goals. I’m trying to accept that denial is a totally natural reaction to all of this, because that’s what this sounds like. I’m not sure how best to handle it but I’ll be involved as we discuss whatever he might like to do.

Having been through a similar experience with my late husband, my heart goes out to you and your family. It sounds like you guys are doing the very best you can. Remember, all of you are only human.

Marley, thanks for continuing to update this thread. My heart goes out to you and your family.

Thanks for the updates, Marley. You and your family are often in my thoughts.

I never have anything to add to threads like these, but I am following the saga. Good luck.

Thank you. Tomorrow I’ll be visiting during the day, coming back to the city for a concert, and visiting again overnight Saturday. Some time early next week we’ll probably have a consultation with an oncologist. I spent about an hour on Wednesday looking up information on various cancer drugs so I could explain it to my mom. I reviewed all the drugs that were given to a younger boy over the course of four years. Tyler’s hope is that he’ll only take some oral drugs and not have to stay in a hospital again, but most of these drugs are given by IV and even the oral ones were usually paired with IV drugs. The side effects are predictable: fatigue hair loss and diarrhea for this one, fatigue hair loss and mouth sores for that one, fatigue and bleeding for another one. That’s shortening the list by a great deal. We’ll see what they recommend if anything. I’m expecting to be at the consultation and happy to do so.

To be honest I’m not optimistic about the entire idea. If he starts chemo we already know there is not much chance they will do anything for him and I’m worried the drugs will kick the crap out of him again. I’ve been saying to people over and over that the chemo was probably the worst thing he’s been through and considering we don’t know if it even did anything, I wish it hadn’t even happened. He was so miserable and so angry during that time. In a lot of ways his outlook didn’t recover for a long time.

In fact we had a long talk Tuesday night that I’ve been hesitant to detail because it was kind of heartbreaking (and also confusing for me). What he said in essence was that he wants to try more chemotherapy because without a future his life is empty. He wants a full life. College, kids eventually. A Dear Prudence moment of his own. And he was asking me about whether it was more dignified to stop treatment or brave to keep trying, and the meaning of failure. He also asked about his ability to handle things on his own at college for example (which was the confusing part). He talked about hope and wanting to do more with himself and not just hanging around and smoking weed. And the horrible thing about all of it is that I want those things for him, but I don’t think chemotherapy is going to make them possible.

I asked my mother if his hopes have been blown out of proportion. As I said, I wondered if she had lead him to believe that with treatment, he could recover and go to college and live for years. She said that wasn’t true, and even if shes a little overoptimistic she seems to have a more realistic attitude than she did a few weeks ago. She’s discussed this with his social worker and that they feel he’s talking more about his hopes than about what he really thinks treatment might do. It’s so sad to hear it regardless. It’s bracing to hear him talk about wanting those things because he hadn’t owned up to wanting them and hadn’t addressed that kind of disappointment, at least not to me. But what can you say? Cancer is denying him these things. There’s no lesson to it or reason it had to happen. It just did. He was handed a death sentence (his words) at random. And maybe this is part of his way of dealing with that. I’m not sure.

On the other hand even if we’re talking about this, it’s been great to talk to him so much more the last few days. Tomorrow I’ll be bringing him a bunch of CDs, mostly jazz. My jazz vocabulary is limited but maybe he’ll find something he likes. I also packed some R.E.M. and Pixies and a few other things. On Wednesday our father bought a turntable that can hook up to Tyler’s iPod so they can also listen to records in his room. That’s very cool. Saturday I’m planning to surprise him with highly embellished macaroni and cheese from a downtown joint we like.

Most of our ‘hopes’ are wishes blown out of proportion Marley. In your little brothers situation, I can understand his need to cling on to any last vestige. Sometimes it’s all we have left.

And I know this sounds fucking weird coming from a complete stranger on the other side of the earth, but seriously, my thoughts are with you all. Each time I open MPSIMS, I’m almost scared to see this thread at the top of the page. Just be assured that my (atheistic) prayers are coming your way.

kam

I’ve had the first death in my immediate family at the beginning of 2010. It sucks. My Dad was 72, not 18, either. So I can scarcely imagine what dealing with such an unfair tragedy is like. It was still very difficult and though I’m OK with it, I’m a different person after the experience and I am still not convinced that the dust has settled, so to speak.

In any case, I’m very sorry. Life can be so cruel.

I hope your brother is as comfortable as possible.
-BB

Thats honestly devastating. Where the fuck is a miracle when you really need one. This isnt even right.

I’ll post about this tomorrow after I get some overdue sleep, but we had a long talk today and he’s not going to do the chemotherapy. Instead of risking sickness and weakness for a slim chance at a bit of extra life he’d rather enjoy whatever time he has left the way we’ve been spending our time lately: listening to lots of music, watching DVDs, and stuffing his face. It was a talk we needed to have and I’m happy about the decision he’s making, but it does drive home that he is certain he is going to die soon. And when you see someone else accept that, it snuffs out a little bit of denial that existed in your brain without you knowing it. I told him how much I love him and I’ll see him this afternoon.

That’s a hell of a road he’s walking, but in my opinion he’s doing the right thing.

I can’t imagine that I would handle such with the dignity and calmness that you show. Much respect to you and your bro.

Still getting around to the post. First I wanted to share an old memory from Boston. My dad and Tyler went to a Red Sox game during his first round of radiation treatment and we just got this, err, incident uploaded to the 'net. It’s during the sixth inning and Red Sox third baseman Mike Lowell comes over to them - and from there you just have to watch. Copyright NESN, blah blah express written consent major league baseball.

I arrived at the house at about 12:30 Friday after a walk through the rain. My mother was getting ready to go out, so I went into Tyler’s room to check out his new stereo setup. We put on Steamin’ with the Miles Davis Quintet. It sounded good but I don’t have the kind of background in jazz that I do with rock and the blues. So I can’t necessarily say why something is good or how it works, but I know when something sounds smooth. He has a very cool sound system in his room now: the computer and the turntable and the surround sound are all hooked up, and he can shake the house to its foundations when he wants to. He’s also doing better physically. I think they switched off the thorazine and are using something else for hiccups because he was suffering a lot of dizziness as a side effect. So now he can stand and walk much more easily and we’re not moving him in that office chair. That was very encouraging to see.

After the Miles Davis record was done - and he’s getting good at putting the needle down, which does not look easy - we went through some of his new music. A few days ago a family friend came over with a flash drive that held about two gigs of Dr. John and a lot of other people. Tyler had never heard Robert Johnson before. I organized some of those songs because the titles hadn’t transferred correctly. Then we started in on the Allman Brother stuff, playing some songs from their New York City run in 2009. That was a few great weeks and was a great Make A Wish choice.

We were listening to another version of Whipping Post when he spoke up. He wasn’t touching his throat, so I had to turn the music off to understand him.

“If it doesn’t work anyway, is it stupid to try?” he asked.

“No, it’s not stupid,” I said. “Nobody’s going to call you stupid or desperate or undignified or anything anyway. First of all because it’s your life, and second, because nobody is going to criticize you after everything you’ve been through. It’s just a question of the best way to get what you want. You figure out how you want to spend your time, what’s the most important thing to you, and what will put you in the best position to do it.”

I decided this probably sounded a little too calculating, so I rephrased until I said it better, but I mostly stuck to that theme. I told him about the drugs I reviewed Wednesday. There were 11 of them. It’s a little hard to think about one child going through six different chemotherapy regimens over four years and almost none of it doing anything. I said his mother felt that the last therapies he was on might have worked if they’d tried them sooner, but I added that I wasn’t sure she was right. I think she’s mostly just hoping, grasping at the idea that there was a solution and they weren’t stumbling around in the dark. All of this crap is random chance, including responses to treatment. At least it is until we learn more about how this cancer works. He met other kids with chordomas in 2008 at the first CF conference, and two of them died in the next few months despite loads of chemotherapy. [[And he’s next… fuck, it hurts to think of him as a name on a list.]]

And I told him something I’ve said here and to a lot of my friends: that the chemotherapy he did in late 2008 to early 2009 was the worst part of this entire ordeal in some ways, and that knowing it apparently did nothing for him, I wish it hadn’t happened. He was miserable that entire time. He was nauseated and sick and weak and bedridden and frail and he was so angry. It was scary to be around that kind of anger. That was when he started smoking a lot more weed. It helped with the nausea but it also just helped him get away from everything a little bit.

And around that time he asked me what I would do it his situation. I’d thought about what I’d say if he asked me that, but it was a tough question to field. But I told him the truth, which is that I thought I wouldn’t do any more treatment. And I tried to be careful about pointing out all the differences between me considering that as a thought exercise and him really making the decision because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t pressuring him. (I guess it’s vain to think that I could pressure him into making one decision or the other here.) The conversation went on and I said that I’d had a really great time with him in the last week listening to music and watching DVDs for hours on end, and that if he did chemotherapy again we might not be able to do that. But we could have different priorities (after all I am partly thinking about how I’ll remember this time, and that’s not an issue for him) and I said that if he wanted to do get as much time as possible that’s also a sensible approach. He said he’d been enjoying our time together, too.

I think around that time our mom came back with the food. Luckily for us she had more errands to run. So we went to the kitchen. I talked about how frustrating it was that we are spending so much time trying to make him comfortable and minimize this problem and that problem instead of talking about college and further into the future. I asked him if he got as frustrated about those things because it was hard for me to tell. He didn’t say very much. Eating and drinking are a major problem for him. One time this weekend he finished a meal and said he felt like he hadn’t even eaten anything because he coughed up almost everything, and it’s painful when the food comes out his nose.

When mom got home we spent a few minutes talking about the logistics of the chemotherapy consultation, which was scheduled for Monday morning, before he told her he wasn’t going to do it. He said all of his goals for his life required him to live to 30 at least, and none of these drugs were going to make that happen, so there was no point. He held firm on that point. She said it might help with his swallowing, for example. I said that could happen but it was also possible the damage had been done. We talked about other things and he started making jokes about death, which I hadn’t heard him do since before his first surgery almost four years ago. On the topic of their horrible looking lawn, he said “There’s more chance of me living than that grass.” He made a few other comments like that. I felt he was trying to reinforce to my mom that he was serious and also be tough about it. He really can be blunt when he wants to.

After lunch we went back to his room and he answered the question I’d asked him. He said he did want the things I’ve been able to do in the last few years that he won’t do - going to college, being independent and living in a place of my own, having a serious relationship with someone amazing - he hadn’t lost sight of all of those things in the middle of the avalanche of depressing shit he’s gone through. He thanked me for advising him and said something about me being the only sane one in the family at this point. I tried to say that if I’m the sane one we’re all in trouble. But I also know he’s not completely wrong in some ways. Our parents are very stressed out and they’ll start fighting with each other at any provocation, and our other brother is very emotionally detached. I’m conscious of the fact that I’ve stepped up lately. I don’t mind it. I do hope it matters.

I told him the same thing I said to mom earlier, that I was sorry he’s going through all this. I told him I loved him, and he said he knew or I wouldn’t be visiting as often as I have been. And I told him that being his brother and his friend has always been one of the best things in my life. He teared up a little, just in his left eye.

“I haven’t cried much,” he said.
“Me either. Just the once. This has been going on so long that if I started crying I don’t know how I’d stop.”

We hugged and said goodbye. That night I had a dream where I was trying to imagine what I would have done if I’d been diagnosed with a terminal illness when I was younger. My parents found a videotape they’d made during a time when we thought I might have some kind of serious sickness. In the video I said I’d be willing to refuse treatment. The boy in the video didn’t look like me. Later the same night I think I had a dream where my mother was diagnosed with a chordoma. And after that I had a dream where I was in a store with big windows looking out on a monstrously huge thunderstorm. It looked a little like this, only much closer to us. A few times, lightning flew in through the windows. It almost hit me once and I tried to stand behind some boxes for cover. I don’t need to be haunted by this stuff while I sleep. This is hard enough.

I was out there again Saturday with about a metric ton of macaroni and cheese from a place downtown. I took him there after a Mets game in 2007 and before our last Allman Brothers show together six months ago. I probably got enough food for 12 people and we’ll all be eating the leftovers for most of this week. He had a few camp friends over and some of them were just leaving when we showed up. Later that night, some family friends came by and with my dad’s help, they installed support bars in the shower. With luck he can use those to stand in the shower and ease himself out of the tub. Blanket squares for the quilt have also started arriving, and some big batches may come soon.

That night, my girlfriend and I went out for a late snack with an old friend of mine. They said a lot of very supportive things that I really appreciated. And in reflecting on it I realized that even in the state he’s in, I’d rather have this sick version of him than have nothing at all. I don’t want to lose him even like this. But there’s nothing I can do about that. And hearing him make a decision that he’s not going to do the chemotherapy drove that home. I knew all the details and the odds of chemo working, but hearing him say no made it that much more concrete. The curtain’s coming down sooner than later. I don’t know if he’ll be around at the end of October. I honestly don’t know.

He really wasn’t in a good mood today, which made things awkward for me. I tried not to get in his way. I watched some football and observed the collaging for a while. He did get a lot done on his new camp piece. The collage is about half done- he’s almost filled up one piece of posterboard (I think it’s 36 by 24) and there’s a second one waiting to be done. My mom would be happy to take a break, but he wants to keep going.

Thank you for the update - and yeah, that’s a beautiful CD for quality, low-key hang out time. Cookin’ and Relaxin’ are both great CD’s, too; let me know if you’d like to get copies to share with Tyler…

Marley, I’ve been following quietly along and I have to say a couple things to you:

First of all, you’re an excellent, caring big brother. I cannot imagine going through something similar with my little brother.

Secondly, I think you should write a book about this experience. Seriously. What you’ve put up here is a tragic, heroic love story, and the way you’ve written your posts leaps off the screen at me. Its impossible for me to not have empathy for what your family is going through. I cry reading some of this because its obviously so sad (and I’m usually a "big boys don’t cry kinda guy).

I really think that it would be a wonderful way to immortalize Tyler. You could use this entire thread as a starting or finishing point to a book, and fill in earlier parts of your lives together and your experiences to fill out the rest of it.

Anyway, that’s my two cents FWIW. I wish your brother the most fun, pain-free existence possible for the remainder of his days on Earth.

I expect my dad has those two, but I’ll ask. What we listened to was actually the second half of Workin’ and Steamin’ as a double album.

I think in the future I need to stop posting to this thread late at night. I spent a lot of time reviewing our conversation last night, then went to bed and had a dream where he died. :smack: I don’t need to dwell on this stuff while I’m sleeping. At this point dreaming about it isn’t that big a deal despite what I said about my sanity. But I’ll take any break I can get.

I appreciate that, and that’s definitely the plan. A few years ago I wrote a short novel about the entire experience (and our family’s life) starting from a while before his diagnosis and ending the following summer. I finished retouching it in 2008, around the time we got word of his first recurrence. It might’ve even been the same day. Tyler wrote a few chapters of that, and I always wanted him to contribute more. Sometimes he was interested and excited about the idea, and other times I don’t think he was comfortable thinking about it and dealing with it the way I was. Not to mention that his story was being told by someone else. At some point soon I’ll go back to it. I think it’s a good story and maybe not as sobby as it comes out on the board. And it might be good for me. I can’t knit and I can’t raise money for the foundation by selling stuff to campers, but I can do that.

That’s really cool Marley. Do you think Tyler would be on board with making any fresh contributions to it? Obviously you don’t want to try to make him do anything he doesn’t want to do, but have you talked to him about it recently? You could probably sell him on the “this is really the only way any human being becomes immortal” angle. Or that his story would be inspirational to others, kind of like Randy Pausch’s story was.

I don’t know. I realize that I’m an outsider looking in and that the raw emotions and underlying sadness that accompany an ordeal such as this may preclude any involvement or desire on Tyler’s part. But the way you’re writing about it here in your very organic prose makes me feel like it would almost be a shame to not try to cobble together something for publication. I’m sure a few Dopers would at least buy some copies!

:slight_smile:

That’s one of those things I’ll let him bring up if he wants to. I’d love for that to happen and in the past I encouraged it. Writing isn’t his preferred mode of expession, and he’s getting some of his feelings out through the collages. He’s seen parts of the book, but not the whole thing, and I think he feels it’s selfish of me to tell the story from my perspective even though that’s really the only way I can tell it. It’s not an argument I want to revive with him these days.

Have the two of you thought about video recording some of your times together? That would be something personal and family-oriented that you could pull out whenever you wished in the future and relive moments with him. Of course Tyler would have to want to do something like that, too.