If “white people” were an endangered group, more people might care. But, as has been demostrated in this thread, the actual data doesn’t support that thesis. You can continue to believe it, of course, but don’t be surprised when other prefer to rely on actual facts instead of your personal opinion.
A strawman is setting up an argument which is much easier to destroy than what the other is actually making. I did not do that. I stated that you have no chance (and history has clearly demonstrated as much), and asked why you persist despite that. I said nothing whatsoever about your “perceived” politics.
Baseless speculation.
I’m not saying anything of the sort. I’m saying that secession has been tried in the past, and failed. I’m saying attempts have been made to create “racially pure” societies in the past, and have likewise failed. I don’t have to “believe” anything - history has shown that while you may feel your ideology is all well and good, in actual practice, it’s not going to happen.
Unfortunately for you, that source says squat about whites reproducing differently, it discusses trends in entire countries. Please try again.
I thought that at first, then noticed your wording was about how we’d remove other races once we were in power. I took that to mean skip getting to power, or “creating” the system.
I don’t think it will require violence if there is a large enough number of whites on our side. Don’t you want to pack up all thise bigots and ship them out anyway 
Right now it’s a tiny movement as there’s no heat to racial conflict in this economic environment. We believe things will change most likely when the economy changes, (though I realize economic collapse has been a paleoconservative staple for decades and it hasn’t happened yet). If this happens, things will shape up. Personally, I suspect most people in the small WN organizations that exist now, such as myself, will be pushed aside by groups with more mainstream appeal, (mainstream for the time).
Anyway, I’ve got no violent schemes hatching, I just wanted to be clear on that. Will things ever get ugly? Let’s hope not. What else can I say?
School integration. Fair housing, (don’t you see that ad on the telly as of late - “it’s the law!”). Laws against discrimination in hiring, etc. Then there’s civil suites that are enforced by law, (i.e. Dennys vs Jesse Jackson).
That’s good to hear. Anyway, I think that you, personally, could accomplish most of what you want by simply moving to VT. Sure, that state probably has all the racially motivated statutes you don’t like, but there are so few non-whites in that state that it’s probably moot.
Has any group of WNs started to put a plan into effect of moving to a particular area and trying to chance some laws (local or state)?
Oh, ok. I thought you were implying some ulterior motive that would be much easier to destroy that than our real one, (as happens to me constantly).
History isn’t conclusive like that. I thought you were scientific?
If you think I’m going to go Google up demographics to substantiate that impoverished Sub saharan Africans are almost all black, forget it. Is that another “racist myth”?
I’ve heard that discussed, but don’t know how much those groups are actually doing. (You’ve bullseyed the type of thinking of most WN’s though).
I want nothing to do with your concept of the ‘white race’. I think all the ‘white’ nationalists here are sorely lacking in some basic knowledge.
There is no such thing as a white culture.
There is such a thing as the black culture.
There is such a thing as german/swedish/irish culture.
There is such a thing as jamaican/south african/ethiopian/indian culture.
The reason there is no such thing as ‘white’ culture is because what most people define as white is and was the majority of the US. There was no reason to form such a thing as a ‘white culture’.
The reason there is a black culture is difficult to explain, but can mostly be attributed to slavery and civil rights and oppression. It’s true that not all blacks actually fit the cultural definition, ie; african heritage. However, “black” has become interchangable with ‘African American’. White is not the same as European American though.
You may ask why it is that black = african heritage, yet white is just a skin color. It may seem unfair, hell, I thought it was at first. But the thing is, there is no reason why pale skinned people need to band togther as a culture in America, so it just didn’t happen.
I am completely ‘white’ as in your definition, german / swedish / english blood. I want absolutely nothing to do with your ‘movement’ and I hope it fails. Stop trying to “defend” ‘your’ people, I’m not one of them.
I’m going out with a lovely Jamaican woman, and love is a lot more powerful than ‘heritage’. I never was raised to be proud of something I never did, or to take pride in my ancestors, so I don’t care if Einstein is white, because Michio Kaku is just as great as him in my opinion, we’re all humans, I make no distinctions beyond physicalities.
I’m not buying into WN either, but you do realize, I hope, that your post contained no facts-- just your own opinion.
I sometimes use the phrase “white culture”, but I mean “European culture”, and more specifically “The Culture from European Christendom” as the definition phrases it.
White Nationalism is not limited to the U.S. In fact, with the momentum of some European Nationalists parties it might be less American than other by now.
There’s just really no response when you’re a SEPARATIST being told to bugger off and stop being a separatist 
11 Pages of WN discussion, and I can’t believe that no one has brought up the best argument against that philosphy: Link.
Why don’t you do a search on race from straight dope there have been qualified people from various genetic and biology fields who have had lengthy discourses on why race is mostly a social construction. I would trust their scientific judgement much more than a racist propaganda site.
Mainly because you’re a bunch of extremist crackpots who want to start up another reich to fulfill some dubious “destiny” while depriving others of free will.
You can’t be serious? You’re just parroting turn of the century nonsense about the zionist conspiracy. The same tripe that all countries who have issues with jews repeat endlessly to justify their prejudices. That’s neither original or well thought out. Show me PROOF of this “zionist” conspiracy that’s always claimed by people like you. I know you’re going to rattle off the usual nonsense that passes as “proof” in your eyes. It’s amusing how every new extremist group copies old ideologies and then claims it as being something new.
I know quite a lot about your “movement” much much more than you would probably suspect and it’s built mainly by racist demagogues, criminals, and rebellious social outcasts (kids) who want to dress up in red suspenders and jackboots. Wow, that sure is a proper intellectual foundation for a civilized world. :rolleyes:
No, they are less tolerant of racist EXTREMISTS there’s a BIG difference there. Most educated reasoned people that I know dislike non white supremacists like Farrakhan just as much.
Great, so if you love the “fatherland” so much why don’t you move there? Like I said, I know quite a few Germans and there’s even an Austrian in my family and none of them care to have another “reich.” Why do you think Hitler and his cronies tried so hard to hide atrocities from the common German people? The Nazis knew their movement was essentially morally bankrupt and wouldn’t be accepted by the German people once widespread knowledge of their actions were known.
Humankind has been “interracially” breeding for thousands of years I doubt it’s going to stop anytime soon. If your only intellectual qualifications for being a racial extremist is that you hate seeing a black person date a white person then that’s more pathetic than I thought.
It depends on how you define “separatism” I think most people here could care less if you want to live in the woods somewhere with your fellow hand selected crackpot “aryan” pals. I know most extremists try to do that already, that’s fine with me but as soon as you seek to deprive other people of rights or liberty then don’t be surprised when your “movement” is harshly condemned and vilified. If you want to start your own “nation” so much then why don’t you kindly remove yourselves from the U.S. and go try to takeover another country.
Y’know, you post stuff that appears rational, even if I don’t agree with it, and then you thrown in stuff like this that is just baseless silliness. Somehow attributing a decline in morality to “Jews” (even if some portion of the entertainment industry is owned by Jews) is a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc argument. The fact that it seems to be based on little more than a tranferance of blame (the word scapegoat comes to mind) makes it even sillier. If there is any legitimacy in blaming Jews for a decline in morality because of an association of Jews with the electronic and film media, then the claims against “whites” for genocide are incontestably proven and all the guilt against which some of your members rail is justified.
I got no interest in “taking over” your sewer.
I guess I appreciate your offer to go live in the woods(?)
Of course, every one of your observed phenomena have a myriad of actual causes and only white flight and private schools have any serious connection to racial issues. (Gated communities appear primarily in areas surrounded by white subdivisions and are prompted by a fear of color-blind crime (itself mostly hyped by the local news media–usually controlled by WASPs). Home schooling receives its greatest (not sole) impetus from a desire to teach religious issues rather than a desire to not associate with any particular group. Private schools are a response to an education system that has suffered extensively due to white flight and while there was a surge of “racial” white flight from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s–and much of that was prompted by deliberate distortions by some members of the Real Estate industry–most white flight has been driven by economics and has included black flight (on a smaller scale due to their fewer economic opportunities) from and to the same communities.) In fact, the drive to the suburbs began long before blacks constituted any sort of “threat” to most white urban citizensand long before the Federal government had any particularly “anti-racist” position.
I do not claim that there are no people other than whackos who want to live separately. I simply note that most people are more concerned with the color of their neighbors’ grass than their neighbors’ skin.
It has been so noted. And now that (in North America) peoples from all parts of the world can intermingle, there is no longer any geographic advantage for any group within North America, so pretending that the white folks had some intrinsic superiority that needs to be carried into the future is shown to be a specious claim. I don’t have any problem with any white/black/green human choosing to mate with another white/black/green human. I just find the notion that we need to establish reservations for whites to live on for protection a bit silly.
So what happens when you create your Nazi Utopia, but the blacks who own homes in your soon-to-be lily white country refuse to move? Do you burn their houses down? Kill them?
I’m as white as can be and I hope to God that few ever come to your point of view. Because I’m sure once you’re brownshirts are done spilling red to spread the white, you’ll turn on “less white” whites like me, who are gay or not the right religion.
You’re exactly right. From my experiences extremists will find ANY reason to balkanize society. Even in “white” europe back in the early 20th century you could see this. You had self proclaimed “aryans” oppressing the slavs, mediterraneans oppressing their own white cultural minorities and everyone hating on the jews. There was quite a bit of religious bloodshed going on in europe that has lasted centuries with protestants vs catholics vs jehovah’s witnesses vs adventists. Let’s not forget that europe treated puritans, mormons, and other religious minorities like complete trash which caused quite a bit of them to flee to the new world.
There was little physical difference between those traditional racial groups. Most europeans possessed typical “white” or “caucasian” attributes yet even in a “white” society these social, religious, and political divisions were accentuated. Even the Nazis had a distinct class hierarchy with the party elite on top dictating the terms of society while the common germans had little say in government affairs. Life and death hinged on the whims of a fascist government which thought nothing of sacrificing them for a dubious cause. Even volksdeutsche (ethnic germans from other countries) were discriminated against by their “own” in Nazi europe. As you can see there is no such thing as a perfectly homogenous society. People will always find reasons to group each other into distinct categories. As human beings in a more modern and enlightened world it’s our duty to find a civilized middle ground so everyone can coexist relatively peacefully.
Ok, noted.
Just please don’t call this “debate” because I can’t debate “admit it or not you guys are really planning to brutally massacre people”.
I can say “am not”, and I guess you can reply “are too”, and we can take it from there.
I do sympathize with why we get that, and others don’t. It’s not all because of radicals. It’s also just a natural response because we’re exclusionary.
If someone states their goal to be one world government, nobody asks what they’re going to do with all the people who don’t wish to participate. I guess the idea is to “educate” enough people in the world who don’t agree with them and the rest can just tough it.
If someone states that they want America to be run by Democrats, nobody asks what about the Republican citizens? The Republicans can tough it as long as they’re voting 49% or less.
From one view you can look at it that we’re not asking people who don’t agree with us to “tough it”, we’re saying that we think separation is ok, and they can remain in a country where they have every freedom they value. We are not believers in one almighty state. Not because we believe it interferes with the rights of individual people, but because we believe it comes at the expense of individual cultures.
Start with American libertarian philosophy (more or less) and apply it to ethnic groups rather than single individuals and you get fairly close to our beliefs. We believe people have the right to marry their sense of folk to their governing laws. Our opposition believes all such concepts should be dissolved to the extent they interfere with the harmony and productivity of a single large governing state.
But, for us, there’s this horrible logistics problem. White Nationalism is no more large enough to have that kind of thing finally worked out than a group that seeks one world government has finally worked out the governing logistics of their ultimate goal. We have lots of ideas, and the general consensus seems to be that there will need to be many more WNs and when there is we’ll have to see how that shaped up.
There are geographical areas that are overwhelmingly white. Such a place would be ideal. As to any whites there who disagree with us and don’t want to leave, then I suppose that would be the same “tough it” that practically every single politcal group implies to their opposition.
That analogy would be valid if the Democrats evicted the Replublicans from the country when they “took over”.
The problem with a “separatists” philosophy is that it is inherently unstable. If everytime we disagree over something we decide to form a separate country, we’d never be able to sustain any type of civilization.
I’m a bit confused at your very casual brushing off of the extremist elements in your WN movement. You seem to think it’s a small, unimportant fringe, but to many (most?) of us outside observers, it appears to be very much the mainstream. Without linking back to your Message Board (which is frowned upon here), can you demonstrate that the WN movement’s leaders hold “moderate” views such as yours? Any polling results from WN that show what % are not in favor of violence to achieve your goals? I’m trying to get at some concrete facts instead of operating under perceptions.
If you’re expecting hard proof, you are correct. However, one can certainly see trends and recurring themes. When was the last time you heard of racial cleansings being viewed favorably by the world, for example?
And you don’t suppose that the breeding rates have anything to do with, say, economic status, rather than the simple fact that the predominant skin color of the residents of a given country is black? You did note in that document how there was a marked difference between “developed countries” and “undeveloped countries”, right? So, what evidence do you have that the higher birth rate in those undeveloped countries is directly attributable to being black, or asian, or anything other than white? And you haven’t, perhaps, noticed that poor white folks tend to have more children than rich white folks…perhaps, again, indicating that maybe it is economics, rather than skin color, which drives reproductive rates?
Believe me, I’ve tried looking for global statistics on whiteness or blackness or any other ethnicity, but if such is to be found, I haven’t found it. So, once again, if you’ve got any actual evidence that whites are on some sort of global decline in absolute numbers (since they clearly aren’t in the U.S.), I’d really like to see it.