Democrats, lefties and liberals, This one's for you

Dave we don’t need to convince him, I assume there will be some people who vote for Bush. we just need insufficient numbers to vote for him in key states, to allow for a Democratic candidate to win the vote of the Electorial College. So if it’s all the same to you, I won’t bother with the mouth breathers, but still attempt to sway the thinking members of that party. There’s already folks here who state they voted for BUsh the first time but won’t now.

that’s the audience.

There’s some difference of opinion about that.

I didn’t check your other sources, but I don’t know whether you’re aware that your first choice is a history revisionist — in particular, a holocaust denier.

Under Repblican presidents eh? Which outcome do you desire? The one in question ran up a deficit of money to out-bid another nation in a “cold” war – without going to war. He did that instead of invading another nation or fight a war by calling it a peace keeping mission (Mr. I don’t inhale launched wars that the european union would not fight in it’s own euro back yard - this response after WW II when europe said NEVER again, will we allow a dictator to blah blah blabh - Yugoslavia can run amuck in Bosnia and Kosovo)

Regan’s economic policies were less out the rich richer and poor poorer here - it was to outspend the communist block bent on playing cat and mouse with our security. You know … international capitalism is what keeps communism thriving. Long enough to resolve that we are gullible enough to believe that those that are envious of us won’t attack us and downsize our defense :rolleyes:
surplus or not - it’s a balance sheet.

There are no clinical signs of “dry drunk” behavior, because it’s utter psychobabble bullshit that AA uses to smear people who don’t accept their dogmatic beliefs about addiction.

You mean, we might have THOUGHT we might have lost that many. In reality, we probably wouldn’t have, because Japan’s leaders weren’t actually prepared to fight to the death. And even the highest real internal estimates weren’t anywhere near four times what we had lost in the entire war.

I’ve Googled like mad and can’t find any backup for a vague memory of once reading a story claiming that the original spelling was in fact “Regan” and that Nancy convinced Ronald to change it to “Reagan” so it wouldn’t seem so Irish.

:dubious:

Okay, I know that’s about as tenuous as it gets, but still that feeble memory niggles at me. Has anyone else ever encountered that story? Is there any truth to it? It’s far from unheard-of for actors to change their names, after all.

Yeah, you know that, and I know that, and Sam knows that, but did the teacher know that? From the information provided, odds seem good that the answer is “no.”

I doubt that Truman had the advantage of hindsight in making his decision. With that advantage, you can make any decision look good … or bad.

Is the factual information contained within the cite in error? If so, point it out. If not, fuck your ad hominem. Actually, fuck your ad hominem anyway.

What hindsight?

And so on.

Hindsight has nothing to do with it.

The amusing irnoy, of course, is that even after we got unconditional surrender, we left the emporer alone anyway.

Sam’s story sounds an awful lot like that Chick tract bullshit with the evolutionist teacher and the virtuous and pure Christian.

But anyway:

No, he most assuredly did not. Goddamnit, read some of what has been written.

Oh, yeah, Reagan certainly never invaded another nation or anything, now did he? My goodness gracious, no! Brush up on your history, Ace.

Um, you are aware that the above is absolute horseshit, right?

Oh, man. This is simply precious. Since you’ve missed it elsewhere, the USSR was well on it’s way down the shitter when Reagan took office. Now, he and his chums made the USSR out to be the great boogeyman, but it wasn’t.

Sweet merciful mother of fuck! Are the Reagan backers so hard up for a reason to lionize and deify him that they must use the same ridiculous arguments even after those arguments have been shown to be crap?

Sure, but the same thing can be said for John Belushi, and I sure as hell don’t want him as PotUS either…

I have a hard time seeing the drink-a-beer-with-ability of GWB myself. Shrug. He strikes me as the kind who would sulk into his beer and talk only about himself.

Almost as impressive as the fact that his hair remained dark. As Johnny Carson said once, “Reagan doesn’t dye his hair; he bleaches his face!”

Zombie Belushi for President!

It doesn’t say much for Yale that one of their graduates would pronounce tyranny as if it were “tie’-runny.”

I do believe that President Bush is a recovering alcoholic, but the evidence for his having “dry-drunk” symptoms is nebulous. The examples taken from his speeches probably reflect more on his speech-writers.

I think that the President’s intelligence is probably within the average range at the upper end. That would put him far below most Dopers. I think that President Reagan, God rest his soul, was smarter that President Bush and that President George H. Bush was the most intelligent of the three although he also had a problem with verbal skills. President Reagan’s intelligence may already have been in decline while he was President. His earlier years indicate a much stronger mind; there was more deterioration than would normally be expected.

Someone mentioned that President Reagan had been an FBI informant. Was that before or after Nancy Davis, the future Mrs. Reagan, was mistakenly linked to a Communist organization?

Reagan became president of the Screen Actors Guild in 1947 and became an FBI informant shortly thereafter, after he and Jane Wyman were approached about possible Communist ties. He didn’t meet Nancy until 1951. I’m not aware that she was accused of being a Communist; according to this she was receiving “unwanted Communist literature” and sought out Reagan’s advice, as president of her union, on what to do about it.

Reagan remained as SAG president until 1960, but not before selling out his fellow thespians by signing away royalties on movies made before 1961. There are still actors who are suffering because of that.

Actually, if this kid is younger than 30 or so there’s probably little need for the Kerry camp to worry about him anyway. He may be a Bush supporter (for better or worse) but the odds are about 3-1 that he won’t vote.

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/voting/p20-542/tab01.pdf

There was a picture of Reagan in yesterday’s New York Times testifying before, if I remember right, the House Committee on Unamerican Activities regarding Communist infiltration of the movie industry. The photograph shows him wearing eyeglasses.

The lengthy obit also mentioned that he wore contacts throughout his life.

I also had an interesting conversation about politics recently. I had dropped my car off for service and I was being driven back to work in the curtesy van. The driver was a mechanic, blue-collar guy. He was also black. He’s listening to Rush Limbaugh. He says he doesn’t like Bush because “he hadn’t done nothin’” during his time in office. He also says he doesn’t like Bush because of Iraq and that “[Bush’s] friends be makin’ millions off Iraq”. Yet, despite this, he said he feels Bush is the lesser of the two evils because “Can’t vote for Kerry cause he’d be too soft.”

Clearly Democracy in action.

Enjoy,
Steven