Democrats push to make gun control a 2018 issue

I’m describing how the party is painting itself. Go tell them.

Democrats are going to be talking economy, jobs, and national security, and how they have a far better track record than republicans n all of those.

Republicans are going to want to distract from the fact that dems are better at governing by ginning up their base about how the left is going to come take their guns.

I think you should look at this poll. The political climate is changing, if not anything else at the moment.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521

Donald just directed his DOJ to ban gun modifications like bump stocks. Offered without comment.

No. you aren’t. Cite me to any Republican saying “we’re the pro murder rights party”. You can’t, because they haven’t. That language…with all the offensive connotations it carries…comes from you and others of your ilk. It’s an extreme, irrational, provocative, over-the-top approach that turns centrists…like myself…against you.

OMG so is Trump a gun grabber now? How many heads are exploding across the alt-rightaverse right now?

Well when you are criticizing teenage survivors of a school massacre for using their voices to advocate for change, you are not doing yourself any favors. I don’t think the anti-school-shooting-survivor political block is very large or influential.

Well holy shit, it looks like Trump is coming for your guns. Your bump stock, anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/20/trump-directs-attorney-general-to-create-regulations-to-ban-bump-stocks/?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&utm_term=.613de9dc3a29

ETA: Hi, Merneith, I didn’t see your post.

I haven’t done that.

Dude. I’m discussing the brand image they are creating, unintentionally of course but they’re doing it, and using simple words to describe how it looks to others. Clear now?

Molon Labe, you say? :wink:

I didn’t say that you did.

You said to “cite any Republican”. Jack Kingston counts right?

From his Twitter.

Or Trump Jr. who has been liking tweets questioning survivor David Hogg simply because he is the son of a retired FBI agent.

These kids are showing grit and leadership, and they are now getting smeared by the right. Like I said, not a good look.

So, when the right makes up things about what the left wants and believes, and couches that in rather vulgar and strong language, that doesn’t bother you in the slightest, but if some left leaning poster says something, that’s just intolerable.

The people in the party that you are defending are most certainly doing exactly that. Strange that doesn’t bother you in the least.

It doesn’t look that way to rational others. Again, you are falsely imputing your radical extremism to the country as a whole. People will smell what you’re cooking in places like New York, Chicago, and California. Not so much in the heartland.

Objection! Assuming facts not in evidence

You keep asserting what the country thinks. Have you checked out that recent Quinnipiac poll I linked to that actually shows what the country currently thinks about gun control? The change in views on support for stricter gun laws in the last two years is stunning. 19% change since 2015. Now its 66% to 31% in favor. Even gun owners themselves are supporting it 50% to 44% now.

As Bob Dylan once said “The times they are a-changin’”

Couple more school shootings in the heartland will fix that right on up, now won’t it.

If you want to prevent the public turning against your desire to have guns, maybe it’s not a bad idea to find a way for them to be used responsibly.

I agree. Look here’s what he said "Crow told RCP. He emphasized his support for expanded background checks, banning military-style assault weapons, and closing gun show loopholes. "

Ok, you will have large support for the first one, confused by general support for the 2nd, but not much for the thrid, which may be unconstitutial.

Sure, right now, after a school shooting we have a wave of support for some sort of gun control. This is the “Something must be done!” cry. But will that be there come election time 2018 and especially 2020? Doubtful.

Focus on “expanded background checks”. Even the NRA has been back and forth on that.

Yep, right after a shooting public opinion swings- for a while.

You don’t get to take my words out of context and twist them into something you wish I’d said. I said, quite specifically, to cite any Republican saying “We’re the pro murder rights party”. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing about any kids doing any thing.

You’ll need to cite where anyone claimed that the republicans said that. I see a poster claiming that they are painting themselves as that party, but that wouldn’t require the type of cite that you are demanding, just that people are perceiving them that way due to their actions, and Airbeck’s cite more than amply demonstrated that.

What motivates them?

Who are they and what do they want?