Democrats should have codified Roe v. Wade into Law narrative

[k9bfriender]

@Banquet_Bear

I mean: I don’t live in America. I’m not even American. I’m not the President of the United States. I wasn’t elected by the American people.

But you do have demands for America and Americans.

@Banquet_Bear

That I don’t have a plan shouldn’t surprise anyone. But people aren’t going to die because of my lack of forward thinking.

And you don’t seem to have a clue as to how American govt works.

[Banquet_Bear]

@k9bfriender

You are demanding action now. What action do you think that they should take. What route do you see to codifying Roe v. Wade that they don’t that can be done before the mid-terms.

…you’ve quoted me stating that there isn’t a plan right now: and there isn’t one.

You’ve also quoted me asking somebody else if they are waiting until after the mid-terms before they do anything, what is the plan, and what is the agenda.

None of anything you quoted was a demand for action now to codify Roe v. Wade. I support AOC’s call for the administration to tell the American people what specific seats need to be focused on. What votes do they need, and where. And to tell the American people what Biden and congress will do if they win.

[Banquet_Bear]

@k9bfriender

But you do have demands for America and Americans.

…what demands are those?

@k9bfriender

And you don’t seem to have a clue as to how American govt works.

I certainly do.

[Max_S]

@JRDelirious

“Show me where in the Constitution it says the Congress can compel us to respect this alleged right” regarding any of the rights we want protected (voting, heath care, safety, labor rights, prvacy, etc.) and this majority will now be able to answer “nowhere” and we’re lucky if they stop there.

Okay, but voting rights are actually in the Constitution proper, and all of those rights are codified in federal law (mostly justified with Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce).

H.R.3755, linked above, pointed to the Commerce Clause, the Fourteenth Amendment (sections 1 and 5), and the Necessary and Proper Clause as grounds for Congress to abrogate State police powers to prohibit abortions.

~Max

[k9bfriender]

@Banquet_Bear

None of anything you quoted was a demand for action now to codify Roe v. Wade. I support AOC’s call for the administration to tell the American people what specific seats need to be focused on. What votes do they need, and where. And to tell the American people what Biden and congress will do if they win.

Fair enough, I take it back, you weren’t demanding anything, you were just complaining that what you wanted wasn’t being done.

@Banquet_Bear

I certainly do.

Nah, if you are unaware of the attempts at passing Women’s Reproductive Health legislation, and the reasons that those attempts failed, and you are complaining about the Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer, then you really have no clue what you are talking about.

[Banquet_Bear]

@k9bfriender

Fair enough, I take it back, you weren’t demanding anything, you were just complaining that what you wanted wasn’t being done.

…and you see this as a problem?

I’m not talking about “me” here.

I’m talking in general. Do you think that people should stop complaining about the Democrat leadership? Or is that something that you reserve just for me?

Because I’m seeing this in a lot of places, not just here. The sentiment that merely complaining about the leadership puts the election at risk. Is that something you feel is true?

@k9bfriender

Nah, if you are unaware of the attempts at passing Women’s Reproductive Health legislation, and the reasons that those attempts failed, and you are complaining about the Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer, then you really have no clue what you are talking about.

I think you are painting with a very broad brush here. I don’t know why. Complaining about the Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer doesn’t mean I don’t have a clue about what I’m talking about.

[Max_S]

@Banquet_Bear

Complaining about the Democrats like […] Pelosi […] doesn’t mean I don’t have a clue about what I’m talking about.

What am I, chopped liver? Speaker Pelosi moved multiple bills to codify abortion rights. I linked to the most recent example above. It’s the same one that ISiddiqui was talking about the Senate Democrats introducing in May, but didn’t have the votes to pass.

~Max

[Max_S]

@Banquet_Bear

Maybe possibly introducing a term limit plan (of staggered 18 year terms) isn’t really a plan.

Because it would require a constitutional amendment and is therefore squarely not something Democrats can accomplish on their own, even if they wanted to.

Article III, Section 1 of the United States Constitution:

The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour […]

Any statutory plan to limit the terms of Justices at the Supreme Court runs afoul of this provision, which states that Judges shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour [sic].

~Max

[crowmanyclouds]

@Max_S

{…} it would require a constitutional amendment {…}

I swear, it’s just one excuse after another with the Dem leadership!

[Max_S]

Like for real, if they had the votes for that they would simply put the right to abortion in the Constitution itself.

~Max

[Banquet_Bear]

@Max_S

What am I, chopped liver? Speaker Pelosi moved multiple bills to codify abortion rights. I linked to the most recent example above. It’s the same one that ISiddiqui was talking about the Senate Democrats introducing in May, but didn’t have the votes to pass.

…I’m sorry: but what exactly are you wanting me to say? And why did you chop up my quote like that? I don’t understand what you mean.

@Max_S

Because it would require a constitutional amendment and is therefore squarely not something Democrats can accomplish on their own, even if they wanted to.

So it really isn’t a plan then.

[Max_S]

@Banquet_Bear

So it really isn’t a plan then.

I suggest that the Democrats not only don’t have any plan, but that there are no possible plans that could have been proposed after the 2020 election and before the 2022 election. Furthermore, unless the Democrats make significant gains in the 2022 election, there will be no possible plans before 2024.

The word for this phenomenon is gridlock (or deadlock).

~Max

[Banquet_Bear]

@Max_S

I suggest that the Democrats not only don’t have any plan, but that there are no possible plans that could have been proposed after the 2020 election and before the 2022 election.

…well the Republicans have a plan. And their plan is working really really well. They have control of SCOTUS. They will probably get the Senate at the midterms, and even a chance at the House.

So perhaps if the Republicans can make plans and execute plans then plans aren’t impossible? And maybe plans are good?

[Max_S]

@Banquet_Bear

So perhaps if the Republicans can make plans and execute plans then plans aren’t impossible?

No. The system is inherently unfair and just because the Republicans can do something, does not mean the Democrats can. Democrats have no possible plans. Republicans do. That is how it is.

~Max

[Great_Antibob]

@Max_S

Democrats have no possible plans.

Well, no legal ones. But that’s a different kettle of fish with its own problems

[Banquet_Bear]

@Max_S

Democrats have no possible plans.

…:: shrug ::

If you insist. Good luck with the midterms.

[Max_S]

I am a Republican.

~Max

[Banquet_Bear]

@Max_S

I am a Republican.

…as I said: good luck with the midterms.

[DeadTreasSecretaries]

Also it took the republicans and federalist society 40 years to accomplish this. Even with their structural advantages its not like they just set the abortion rights policy they wanted the moment they had a majority.

[crowmanyclouds]

It’s almost as if when you win enough elections and get to enact small parts of your plan eventually you get what you want . . . if only some folks would start paying attention to how this actually works…