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You know, this thread reminds me of this Republican congressperson from Florida on the Real Time show saying “all politicians are corrupt” and “they are just as corrupt as we are.” I used to agree with this but I don’t think that this is the case anymore on a whole. I don’t think that all politicians are corrupt; I would point to the fact that they are under the scrutiny of the media, the public, and the opposite party all of the time. However, in a few cases, we will have corruption and it is a problem for either party.

I’m a centrist Democrat for the most part; a real honest to goodness Clintonian. What disturbs me about the Republicans is not corruption or politics but the fact that they are hypocrites and liars most of the time. In this instance, we have the Republicans, who control all three branches of government, claiming politics as usual. “We are no more corrupt then they” is what they are saying. Those of us with a little better memory will recall the spirit of reform envisioned by the Contract on America. What really burns me is that they capitalized on the sense of distrust and dissatisfaction in government that most Americans have. In a way, they capitalized on the disillusionment in our democracy by promising that once they were in power, things would be different.

Now that they have that power, things aren’t different. I think that the Republicans should be held accountable for two things: Encouraging the disconnect of the government from the people and regardless of whether you feel that all politicians are corrupt or not, they are not only just as corrupt but hypocrites as well.

Who would you vote for?

One more thing, let’s not keep letting the Republicans define our platform for us. Our issues are: We run better economies, fight better wars, and increase the benefits of our society for more people. As far as what we stand for not being known to the population at large answer me this: What did Dumbass stand for in 2000? I’m not Gore?

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I don’t know about Dumbass, but the Republican party goes for: We run better economies, fight better wars, and increase the benefits of our society for more people. Conundrum, eh?

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Not so much when you apply the lessons of history and come to find that Democrats actually do run better economies, fight better wars, and increase the benefits… I would run through the facts that prove this again but that takes time. Do your own research.

People like me worry about these things rather than who’s getting a blowjob. But rather than obfuscate the issue further, which is what Republicans would like to do, I have offered up in my last post this:

Now Republicans by their own admission are just as corrupt as Democrats even though they have gained their majority from saying that they were not as corrupt. Not only are they corrupt by their own admission but they are hypocrites as well.

No conundrum as far as I’m concerned.

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I’m sure that there are lots of places one might buy such resources, given than they aren’t being given them for free right now. In fact, in terms of farm subsidies, they may be paying for what they aren’t getting, too.

I do think it’s ironic that those states apparently most prone to bemoan the federal government and cry out in favor of states rights are those deriving the greatest financial benefit from being a part of the union.

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Maybe, but the point is that everyone has the same goals. Saying “We’re here to make a better economy” isn’t very meaningful, since it makes it sound like this is what differentiates your platform from the other guys. But the other guy isn’t saying “We’ll make a better economy” he’s saying, “We’ll cut taxes.” And for the response to that to be “You’re just trying get in with the rich!” instead of a different strategy for a better economy, again doesn’t inspire confidence.

That doesn’t mean that they don’t have a plan, nor that they wouldn’t necesarily do a better job–just that without anyone talking about that plan why would anyone on the fence have any confidence in that direction?

And a big reason I think that Dems do this is simply because they don’t think that Republicans want those things you listed, and they don’t hear “We’ll cut taxes” as being synonymous with “trying to create a better economy.” To them it’s just a big “WTF, where’d that come from?”

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Actually, others have done the research. Check out this collection at eRiposte On every indicator, whether contemporaneous or lagged, the economy performs better under Democrats.

Here’s data demonstrating the tendency for the redder states to be greater teat-suckers.

How does a party combat such facts? It shouts “Michael Moore! Al Sharpton! Queers! Orange Alert!” Somehow, some people are such whiny ass titty babies (WATB) who are so easily scared that they will vote for you if you just find the thing that scares them the most. Mr. Moto’s Gladys Kravitz analogy has some legs, I think. The truth is right there, but so many people are like Abner, with their ass on the couch, reading what the media are telling them to be afraid of instead. “I don’t care what you see out the window, Gladys. It says right here that the gays are going to come and take my bible out of my hands! It also says that John Kerry lied about Viet Nam!”

The difference is that Samantha could wiggle her nose to alter reality. These guys had to make Scooter Libby fuck Judy Miller to do it, or pay Anderson Williams et al some money. (Okay, I’ve never heard that Libby and Miller actually had sex.)

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When Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11” was released, guests at the premier included Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin, Montana Sen. Max Baucus, South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings, Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, New York Rep. Charles Rangel, Washington Rep. Jim McDermott, and Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe. McAuliffe said the film “was essentially fair and factually based”–and there aren’t enough :rolleyes: 's in the world to express how I feel about that–and apparently agreed with Moore’s incredible accusation that America invaded Afghanistan after 9/11 to build an oil pipeline. At the Democratic National Convention, Moore sat in Jimmy Carter’s box. And I’m supposed to believe Moore isn’t a big shot in the Democratic Party, that he has no influence?

Pretense? I haven’t voted for the presidential candidate of either major party since 1976. If it’s a pretense, I’ve kept it up for amost 30 years.
You vilify me, and you wonder why I won’t listen to you. There’s so much more I could say to you, but what’s the point? Your mind is obviously closed, and the real irony here is that you haven’t got a clue as to how people like yourself help the Republican party.

I remember watching a newsreel of George Wallace walking out into a rally during a presidential campaign where dozens of hecklers tried to shout him down. Wallace just grinned, blew them a kiss, waved his arms in the air, and shouted, “THANK YOU FOR A MILLION VOTES!”

And he was right. Those idiots were helping him much more than they were hurting him.

Just like you’re helping the Pubs right now.

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All that help still won’t prevent them from losing seats in November.

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Perhaps they would lose even more seats if guys like Hentor knew how to talk to people decently.

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Perhaps I’m just too cynical to believe that nobody has said to you “Hey, please understand that [insert current GOP boogeyman here] doesn’t represent the Democrats.” Perhaps I saw what John Kerry’s nice and quiet answer did for the Swift Bullshit, versus Bill Clinton’s “It’s the economy stupid” rapid smackdown of the GOP bullshit back then. Frankly, someone who claims that “a person on a message board wasn’t nice to me when I spouted GOP talking points, so I’ll vote against my economic interests instead of considering other options” is either a liar or is irrevocably stupid.

Just imagine this: In 5 years, you’ll be expressing consternation about the Democrats because Jim Davison represents them. Who’s Jim Davison? I have no idea, but the Karl Rove of 5 years from now will have you up in arms about a controversial movie he made or because he’s the leader of some future fringe group in San Francisco or New York City. You’ll continue to bend over and take it in the ass economically because of your fear of some guy you don’t even know about yet.

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It isn’t just one peson on a message board. It’s lots of people all across the Net, in the media, and face to face. Do you want me, and the millions of people like me, to listen? Then stop spewing venom.

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Whiny Titty Baby

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Here, this is for those countless millions. This is the horribly “venomous” response I originally gave LonesomePolecat:

Ouch! How could anyone ever withstand such a horrible browbeating? It’s a shame that I so viciously attacked someone who had a leg over the fence and all ready to vote Democrat!

Or, alternatively, LonesomePolecat is engaging in the tried and true conservative counterattack of calling someone “crazy” or “mean” (e.g. John McCain, Howard Dean) to distract from a point.

Note, countless millions, how, simply because Democrats attended Moore’s movie premiere, and Moore sat with Democrats at an event, he and Al Sharpton represent Democrats. Note also that because Moore made a controversial movie and expressed controversial sentiments (that the war was wrong or misguided) he is a pariah who should be shunned and who makes thoughtful people not vote Democratic.

LonesomePolecat, Michael Moore has the interests of working stiffs far more at heart than most of the Republican politicians you support. It’s sad that my suggestion that you think for yourself hurt your feelings so badly. Please continue to let others think for you, as long as you feel good doing so. Fear Jim Davison!!!

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Off topic, but I especially like this:

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Well, let’s look at couple of your other comments from the same post.

Here you call me dishonest.

Here you call me stupid, dishonest and cowardly. And I’m not supposed to be offended by this?

Those Democrats were very high up in the party heirarchy, and they were invited VIP guests at the premier. They weren’t just random moviegoers. This is clearly a dishonest misrepresentation on your part.

Moore sat with Jimmy Carter, a former Democratic president, in Carter’s reserved box,and the event was the Democratic National Convention. This is quite obviously VIP treatment at an important party function. Again, you are using weasel words to misrepresent the nature of the event.

Oh, please. Moore’s film had about as much integrity as *Chariots of the Gods. * Many left-wingers were embarassed by it.

So now you’re a mind reader? Please do tell which Republican politicians I support. I can’t think of very many politicians of any stripe that I support.

Michael Moore, like Al Sharpton, is a demagogue. Moore isn’t concerned about working stiffs like me. He’s concerned with feeding his own ego. Both Sharpton and Moore appealed to the lowest and ugliest aspects of human nature to make fortunes and build power bases for themselves.

And of course you close here with the broad gauge, one-size-fits-all insult that appears to be habitual with you: anyone who doesn’t agree with you isn’t “thinking for himself.” It’s a funny thing. Nobody ever accused me of not thinking for myself when I was agreeing with them.

Your posts here quite clearly show you to be both malicious and dishonest. Now, I already have all the unpleasantness I need in my life, and I have better things to do than to bicker with you. Goodbye.

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Bullshit, liar. I quoted that post in its entirety. See here. The rest of your quotes from me come from later posts as our exchange evolved. I made my first post, you started whining about me being mean, and I did not change my tone based on your crying. But my first post was exactly as I quoted, and did not include the other elements you claimed.

As to your nitpicking about my description of your links between Michael Moore and the Democrats, I chose no weasel words. They attended a premiere. I said this. He sat with Democrats at an event. I said this. Take your charges of weaseling and go fuck yourself.

(Somehow the exchange from The American President comes to mind:

Lewis Rothschild: Yeah, just vote your conscience, you chicken-shit lame-ass! [hangs up] We lost Jarrett.

Leon Kodak: Well, I hope so, because, you know, if that was an “undecided”, then we need to work on our people skills.)

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Okay, so the comments weren’t from the same post. BFD. They’re still your comments to me, and they still show you to be malicious. And you’re most definitely being a weasel here; but there is no point in trying to reason with a weasel like you.

Your little tantrum is quite amusing, though. You’ve demonstrated yet once again that far too many lefties have no idea about how to approach people with their ideas. Like people who take Jack Chick tracts seriously, you haven’t got a clue as to why others find you repugnant.

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You’re back?

I guess this was just another lie then?

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Naw, I just couldn’t resist taunting him for his cluelessness one more time.

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Please don’t taunt me again, you big meanie. This is why I could never vote Republican. You are just so full of venom. (Well, that and representatives James Dobson and Rush Limbaugh.) I was just about to vote for Rick Santorum until this! Now I never will, even though I love me nothing better than a big tax cut for the wealthy.

Please go away and leave me alone! Help, Help! Waaaaah! Goodbye, I’m leaving (for three posts).