Goddam. You really are as stupid as you seem to be.
I only know about the last four presidents, but from those it seemed to go that Reagan did well but built up a massive debt via military, Bush I received that and as he set about repairing it ended up starting the Gulf War. Which left Clinton to have the first non-war government and with the financial policies worked out under Bush I, just to let it ride and grow until it blew up under Bush II just about the same time as a bunch of terrorists rammed a plane into a building and leading us again to war.
So of the four, it seems that Republicans run a booming economy…if you could get them to not go to war and mess that up.
What all do states take out of the Federal governments’ pocket instead of state taxes? My personal guess would be this is mostly showing farming subsidies. I don’t recall what I read that was talking about it (probably some GD thread) but it seemed that outside of corn (?) subsidizing for bio-fuels, no one on either side had any issue with any of the other subsidies as they help us stay in the race with China.
Of course that is based on the assumption that that is what we are looking at, as said. I’ll follow the link trail later today.
You didn’t look at the linked information at all, did you? It looks like you could develop alibis for Republican presidents fairly well, but the nice thing about data is that it is less dependent on creative excuse finding (or conversely suggesting that the other party coasted along without problems).
I’m sure one can continue to believe that if they want only to do so. Otherwise, look at the data.
Huh? I’m sorry, but it’s hard to believe that farm subsidies are the only federal spending by state you could think of. For instance, you might have heard of Katrina? Here’s a list of categories of federal spending from the Consolidated Federal Funds Report for Pennsylvania. Here’s a randomly grabbed small portion of the categories of federal spending in the report:
ANIMAL HEALTH AND DISEASE RESEARCH
SMALL BUSINESS INNOVATION RESEARCH
SECONDARY AGRICULTURE EDUCATION GRANTS
INTEGRATED PROGRAMS
VERY LOW-INCOME HOUSING REPAIR LOANS AND GRANTS
RURAL SELF-HELP HOUSING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
RURAL HOUSING PRESERVATION GRANTS
HOUSING APPLICATION PACKAGING GRANTS
DIRECT HOUSING-NATURAL DISASTER LOANS AND GRANTS
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE
SCHOOL BREAKFAST PROGRAM
You could look up your own state, if you like.
You want venom? You really want venom? How about the shit “your side” spews…
Commie
Faggot
Godless
Traitor
Liberal Wimp/Pansy/Pussy
Get outta my country
Kill da liberals (Coulter’s style)
Bomb San Francisco (O’Reilly’s approach)
God killed them because they deserved it (Robertson and Falwell)
That liberal Mormon guy got a taste of reallity (Limbaugh, on that man who was recently beheaded)
Is that enough? But we are the meanies. Sheesh. You are a whiny titty baby.
I read through it and to the Forbes article it linked predominately and read that as well.
And I didn’t create an alibi for Republicans. They may do well on the economy if they didn’t keep dumping money in the military. So long as they continue to do so, there is no reason to think they will ever run a proper economy per your data.
Per your site’s source (Forbes), “The key to Clinton’s success, says Alice Rivlin, a Brookings Institution scholar who served as his director of management and budget, was adhering to the “pay/go” agreement first forged by President George H. W. Bush and a Democratic Congress, whereby tax cuts or entitlement increases had to be funded on a current basis.”
I didn’t say it was the only thing I could think of. I suggested it as the reason red states might be, on average, drawing more money from the federal government than other states. Saying that red stated use more money doesn’t mean anything negative to being red unless you show where that money is going and who decided for it to go there. For all we from just the information that “red states eat more money” the reason they do so may be due to blue, federal legislation. Without figuring out where the money is going, the stat doesn’t mean anything. And I admit, and admitted, that I had not tracked down that information yet. …though checking the site shows that most of the links are broken, though the last is a word document with the line, “Perhaps more interesting, the states in which Al Gore did worse than Bill Clinton did in 1996 are the states that increased their net take from the federal government in the two years leading up to the 2000 election.” So…the red states were given most of their money by Dems…
Tokyo takes very little I am sure.
As to the whole LonesomePolecat tangent…yeesh people, I know this is the pit and all but I’m seriously doubting that this is the kind of ranting that makes you feel better for having gotten it out there. (Which is directed at both sides.)
Jesus you’re dumb. You have no clue about simple economics, do you? Do you honestly propose that NJ has enough land to grow a sufficient amount of crops to feed the residents? More corn can be grown in a fraction of Iowan land than in the Garden State. Add to that wheat, barley, soybeans, potatoes, sugar beets, sunflower seeds, etc. No reason to recognize the sparcity of population means all the fertile land can be used to feed your face.
More money comes to rural states in farm subsidies? Um, farm subsidies are the pet project every election cycle of the Democrats. Your own people are the ones that set it up that way! Dumbass.
The majority of farmers in the rural states are Democrats. They want that subsidy year in and year out. Your party is the one fighting for increased money every year. You’re either wrong in your thinking or an idiot. Maybe both.
Tell you what, dipshit. Lobby your reps to cut subsidies to the farmers and make income/dispersal equal. make sure it’s tied to the food you eat. It’s easy for a state like NJ to generate taxable income with a few Universities that charge an arm and a leg to the out-of-state students, and run a few ports THAT SHIP PRODUCTS PRODUCED IN RURAL STATES.
Keep your fucking elitist bullshit on your plate, us red staters will be happy with the food we produce on ours.
By the way, make sure your federal income for the tenements and slums isn’t taken from our taxes. You’re more insular in statehood than you blame Conservatives to be. You’re full of shit, and you know it. i’m done playing with you. Go fuck yourself.
And I’m the dumb one? I said they had the resources to buy them, dumbass, not produce them all themselves. Do you think rural America is the only place to obtain such products? Fucking moron. I ain’t never seen nobody so shit-all stupid as you.
Are you sure you want to play this game? OK, you asked for it:
All in all, I’ll take that bargain!
Have a look in the morror, jit-stain, if you want to see stupid. The best I can say for New Jersey is that some consider it the bastard child of Philadelphia.
Have a look in the mirror… :smack:
Fuck that. I’m not sitting on my ass while someone pulls that “I’d listen if you weren’t so mean” bullshit.
Some call me a liberal, some may call me a middle roader. I see myself as a conservative, in the truest sense - in the sense that no government or president has any right or authority to break the law (or ignore it), or interfere with the private lives of its citizens. Call it the “leave us the hell alone” doctrine.
I’m sick of the “america hater” crap, the fag crap, the commie crap, the “terrorist helping” crap, ALL of it. I was sick of the “we got a mandate so fuck you” shit too. Don’t make me pull out my long list of hateful quotes from The Right. I can start reall good, with the full damn transcript of the Falwell Robertson jerk off session about 9/11 and go downhill from there.
So to anyone who wants to play the “you’re so mean” game, I got yer mean, right here. Bring it.
That’s real cute. Something amusing from a comedic angle, but not really substantive. If quoting verbatim something that makes you feel good gives you a sense of participation, good on ya. But the adults are talking. Go lay down little one. :rolleyes:
Am I supposed to be hurt by an attack on New Jersey? Jesus Christ, these stupid motherfuckers are just pouring out of the woodwork. Hint: I’m not from New Jersey anyway.
Where? You? The juvenile potty mouth? Haw-Haw-Haw, you are full of yourself tonight!
Whatever. Your venom just masks the fact that for all your high and mighty talk about red-state work ethic, self-dependency and pulling yourself up by the boostraps, you fucks are the biggest leeches in the country. From this cite:
North Dakota pays out $5,129 in federal taxes per capita but receives back $9,513 in federal spending. New Jersey pays out $8,920 in federal taxes per capita but only gets back $6,353 in federal spending. In other words, New Jersey not only takes care of its own slums and tenements, but also pays a chunk of North Dakota’s. Basically, for all their tough guy, independent rhetoric North Dakota is basically one big welfare recipient.
See, now this is healthy ranting attitude.
So then you are stating that the states decided amongst themselves who got to take the most money, rather than the Federal government deciding how much of its money it was going to give?
I don’t see 'em giving it back…
So then we are discussing Federal spending of Federal taxes that somehow doesn’t involve the Federal government spending Federal taxes?