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Well I’m not so sure its any worse than parents who when their kids misbehaves, immediately want the kid to go to a psychiatrist and get put on meds. We had some friends who one night they couldnt get their kid to settle down and go to bed, took him to the emergency room and wanted him medicated. Frankly he was just being a brat.
Boy, these April Fool’s Day threads get more sophisticated every year!
Nothing fails like prayer.
I know you’re just being facetious but, no, it’s not. It’s really, really not.
Take it from someone born and brought up in the exact BS described in the OP.
ARGH!! DEMONS HaS GOT SIAM SaM:eek:
ETA: either that or else an honest mistake.
I never understood the core concept of demonic possession. If the Devil or one of his minions possesses someone, and there is enough evidence to convince people it’s real, isn’t there a good chance those people will become like very, very religious. Seems like the possession might harm one person, but strengthen the faith of many. Not a very sound business plan.
And to Earl Snake-Hips Tucker, if I ever become a churchgoer, it’s going to involve snakes…lots of snakes!
“Pics or it didn’t happen” was made for situations like this.
I once went to a church like this. They did a lot of laying of hands, and spoke in tongues. My Mom first started going, then I would go with her, and bring my girls. I never witnessed any children being treated like this, thank God.
I really wanted to drink the coolaide, but the talking in tongues seemed silly to me. I just wanted to believe so badly. Poor child, maybe you should talk to the Pastor about your concerns? Poor kid, I hope she will turn out o.k.
Demonic deliverance can be used to help someone with past abuse/hurts. It personifies the evil, well not exactly ‘personifies’, but gives someone a target being to blame the past hurt on, then get rid of the being, the past hurt may go too. This is done without having to ‘hate’ the person who did the hurting and is still effecting the person’s life, which is really handy when that person who caused the hurt is no longer able to hurt.
But in this case, this is the opposite, what I believe this is would be better classified as demonic oppression, forcing someone to behave under fear (fear is a demonic spirit), and not scriptural, Jesus never had the whole group do this to a child, it was always simple and direct and with authority.
The problem with this attitude is that demons are imaginary. You might as well say that the kid is a changeling and that the mother needs to go on a quest to Faery to rescue her actual daughter before she eats any elf-foot and is trapped there forever.
Not true, actually. It’s the same church I attended as a child; I know the pastor and his wife, used to babysit their now-adult child, and know more than a dozen of the congregants reasonably well.
I didn’t say that the prayer was weird to me, because it isn’t. I’ve seen shit like that eleventy-one times at least. I called them stupid, ignorant, and obscurantist, not odd.
This is true, though I’m doubtful that she is-given that, you know, she claims to think that the little girl is demon-possessed.
I too think murdering someone is better for them than praying for them.
That’s nuts. Even if we stipulate that prayer is *always *psychological abuse (which I do not believe; it’s just ineffective), one can recover from it. One cannot recover from murder.
Why should that make any difference?
The delusions of a schizophrenic child are equally “imaginary”, but placidly ignoring them won’t help. Those “imaginary” delusions can, indeed, become lethal.
It’s actually a lot worse, because if you’re taking your child “just to get medicated”, you’re at least bringing in a trained, observant, objective medical authority who is held to legal and ethical standards by other agencies, and if you’re doing it for specious reasoning, you’re probably going to be turned down. Also, psychiatric illnesses are real, and demons are not.
The difference is that praying for deliverance from demon possession doesn’t do jack shit. Taking the child to be examined and treated for an organic disorder, or to be helped with/rescued from/given therapy for whatever environmental problems are causing the behavior is actually doing something that might work.
I know Christian who, hearing that someone is suffering from an actual real-world problem like, oh, being broke and unable to feed their children, will offer no more than prayers. I know other Christians who, hearing of that same person, will help the person in need find a job, and take them food, or donate clothes to be worn to an interview, and so forth. Only the latter are doing anything useful.
Oh yeah? Prove it!
I advocate for governmental bodies not wasting time and money tilting at First Amendment windmills.
I’m glad my evil dad chose to give me psychological abuse instead of murdering me. I’m fucked up, but I’m alive.
All the posts previous to #20 occurred before 4/1/14.
Well, there is that whole resurrection thing. So it may be possible to recover from murder, even if it only happened once in the history of the world.
Judges?
No, I’m sorry… the answer we were looking for is “who is the Devil?” Let’s see how much you wagered…