Denmark and the Holocaust- Hope for Humanity or Damining Evidence?

During the Holocaust, the people (and leadership) of Denmark did some amazeing things. When the Nazis came to Denmark, they wanted it to be their model state. It became anything but.

IANAHistorian, but I’ve heard many stories of the Dane’s heroic actions (feel free to add to this or correct anything that is false). When Hitler announced that all Jews would have to wear yellow stars, the King of Denmark announced that all Danes were equal, and therefore all Danes would wear the star, starting with himself. They next day, almost all the Danes wore yellow stars. Hitler quickly got rid of the yellow star ordinance.

They Danish resistance made real progress against the Nazis, mostly through sabotage of factories that fed the war machine. They even blow up Denmarks own Navy in order to block the harbor and ensure that Hitler could not use the ships.

Perhaps most importantly, almost all of Denmark’s Jews survived. The Danes took mass action sheltering them, and smuggling them to Sweden’s saftey. While the Jews of every other occupied area were murdered in unspeakably huge numbers, Denmark’s Jews lived.

My question is, does this bode good or bad for humanity. At first it seems good. The Danes’ acts were noble in the highest. It might give one a little hope for humanity.

But, that hope is quickly dashed. The big question is, if the Danes did it, then why could no other country do it? Why did they sit complacently in the face of such extreme evil? Surely the Danes knew what was going on, that is why they were so insistant on delivering their Jews to safety. Now if the Danes knew, how can we hedge and say the German people had no clue? And if the Danes could create such an effective resistance, shouldn’t we expect that of others as well? In light of the Danish resistance, I just can’t believe the excueses that resistance in other countries was impossible. The facts are, the Danes saved people from muder, while other countries let their people be murdered en masse.

Does this really mean what I think it means- that people of occupied countries (and the Germans themselves) could have chosen to save the Jews (like the Danes did) but instead chose something else? When faced with the choice, did that many people choose evil instead of good? Does this really give damning evidence that humanity is so low?

While it’s a beautiful legend, it never happened. Danish Jews were never required to wear yellow stars.

Unlike most other occupied nations, Denmark retained its own parliament, armed forces(!) etc., at least for some years. And the Danish Gvt., trying to make the best of a bad situation, adapted a policy of “forced cooperation” - in return getting concessions on issues like the fate of the Danish Jews. (“There’s no Jewish question in Denmark.”, as one minister put it.) While this certainly reflected a realistic assessment of the situation, I hesitate to call it heroic.

Resistance was scattered and with little effect until 1943.

After a general uprising, however, a more confrontational policy was adapted by the Nazis - and that, in turn, led to more acts of resistance, although the results achieved were nowhere like those of the French maquis or the Yugoslavs. Danish terrain (flat, densely populated farmland) does not really lend itself to guerilla warfare.

The rescue of the Jews was certainly a Fine Hour in my country’s history. (One often unsung hero is Georg Duckwitz, the German embassy clerk who warned the resistance leaders of the German plans. In a rare occurrence of justice in real life, he was also the first post-war German ambassador to Denmark.) But one also has to remember that it took place immediately after the Nazis had started a much more heavy-handed administration of Denmark, and anti-Nazi feelings were at an all-time high.

Of course, geography made it relatively easy (one can actually look across the Oeresund, the body of water separating Denmark from Sweden), and while heroic deeds were done, there were also examples of boatowners that demanded exhorbitant prices.

So while I certainly admire those of my countrymen who ran the risks and made the rescue happen, I am, perhaps, a little unsure as to whether it would have happened on the same scale had the Nazis chosen another time.

So using the rescue as a moral example is kinda like picking one shining event from the occupation and asking other countries why they couldn’t live up to that. I believe all the occupied countries saw their moments of self-sacrifice and heroism. But if you’re a civilian under brutal military rule, you rarely have the luxury of picking your battles. You have to seize the chance when it appears (for many, it never does) - and the Danish Jews were lucky indeed that events unfolded like they did.

S. Norman

*Originally posted by even sven *
**During the Holocaust, the people (and leadership) of Denmark did some amazeing things. When the Nazis came to Denmark, they wanted it to be their model state. It became anything but.

IANAHistorian, but I’ve heard many stories of the Dane’s heroic actions (feel free to add to this or correct anything that is false). When Hitler announced that all Jews would have to wear yellow stars, the King of Denmark announced that all Danes were equal, and therefore all Danes would wear the star, starting with himself. They next day, almost all the Danes wore yellow stars. Hitler quickly got rid of the yellow star ordinance.**

An apocryphal story, unfortunately. King Christian never actually wore the yellow star. He was publicly supportive of the Danish Jews, though.

**They Danish resistance made real progress against the Nazis, mostly through sabotage of factories that fed the war machine. They even blow up Denmarks own Navy in order to block the harbor and ensure that Hitler could not use the ships.

Perhaps most importantly, almost all of Denmark’s Jews survived. The Danes took mass action sheltering them, and smuggling them to Sweden’s saftey. While the Jews of every other occupied area were murdered in unspeakably huge numbers, Denmark’s Jews lived.

My question is, does this bode good or bad for humanity. At first it seems good. The Danes’ acts were noble in the highest. It might give one a little hope for humanity.

But, that hope is quickly dashed. The big question is, if the Danes did it, then why could no other country do it? Why did they sit complacently in the face of such extreme evil? Surely the Danes knew what was going on, that is why they were so insistant on delivering their Jews to safety. Now if the Danes knew, how can we hedge and say the German people had no clue? And if the Danes could create such an effective resistance, shouldn’t we expect that of others as well? In light of the Danish resistance, I just can’t believe the excueses that resistance in other countries was impossible. The facts are, the Danes saved people from muder, while other countries let their people be murdered en masse. **

There were a number of factors which allowed the rescue of Danish Jews. The Danes were tipped off by German authorities about an imminent deportation, which meant that, unlike the cities and towns descended upon by the Germans in the east, the population had time to mount a rescue effort.

Second, probably the most important point; there was no pervasive anti-Semitism in Denmark, unlike Poland, Germany or eastern Europe. Non-Jews were extremely willing to help their fellows evade the Nazis.

Third, the Jews of Denmark were an assimilated population, unlike the ghettos and shtetls of eastern Europe. They had close ties with non-Jews, and thus could count upon at least some support.

Fourth, the Jewish population of Denmark was small, slightly under 8000, and possessed an amazingly handy escape route to Sweden, which the peoples of occupied Europe did not have. Smuggling even a small percentage of the several million Jews out of east Europe would have been largely impossible. Ditto for Western Europe. Helping Jews in the rest of Europe consisted of sheltering them for the duration of the war, a more prolonged and thus more dangerous task than simply helping them to escape.

Last, German policy in Denmark insured that wholesale retribution for acts of resistance a la Lidice and Lezaky were unlikely. The Danish people were regarded as fellow Aryans, not as sub-humans like the Slavic or Jewish peoples. In Poland, for example, the punishment for helping Jews evade capture was death, not just for the perpetrator, but his/her entire family. I don’t know what retributions for resistance (if any) were conducted against the Danes, but likely they were restrained compared to other regions.

There were, in fact, efforts to resist deportation of Jews in other nations, also on a national and official level. Bulgaria, despite being a German ally, did not have a tradition of anti-Semitism, and the majority of Bulgarian Jews survived the war. Italian Jews survived in large numbers, largely due to the acquiesence of the Italian people and government. Italy even went a step further than Bulgaria and protected Jews in areas occupied by its military. Other acts of kindness were found across Europe.

**Does this really mean what I think it means- that people of occupied countries (and the Germans themselves) could have chosen to save the Jews (like the Danes did) but instead chose something else? When faced with the choice, did that many people choose evil instead of good? Does this really give damning evidence that humanity is so low? **

Quite frankly, the Holocaust itself damns humanity enough that whichever answer one gives to your question, the difference seems hardly noticeable.

Thanks for correcting me on the story! I had a feeling it was apocryphal, but I have heard it from many sorces that I (used to) trust. Consider me corrected. This is what the fight against ingnorance is all about.

I know that Denmark had many things in its favor, but even in the worst situations we find example of heroism. People did these acts of heroism under the worst conditions imaginable. I guess the thing that amazed me about Denmark was the scale and the results. But, my question holds true regarding any act of good in a time of evil.

So do these acts of heroism prove that humans have the choice to act morally, even in terrible sitations, but don’t? Or are they just flukes?

In a pessimistic way, I guess Jeff is pretty right. The evidence of evil in humanity is pretty awesome. I guess what gets to me most (and seems to be proven by heroism( is that there is no excuse.

I would advance a partial explanation. In another thread about nazism, another poster and I pointed to the fact that ordinary germans,not nazis, and not even soldiers but mere policemen executed a number of jews, when told to do so, and despite the fact that they could refuse to obey without risk.

In other words, a lot of people will comply to authority, even if it means doing the worst possible deeds. France, for instance, was ruled by an antisemitic but very respected marshall. The said marshall and his government said that Jews should be denounced, arrested, transported to Germany, so did the french people in their very wide majority : the neighbors denounced, the policemen arrested, the civil servants organized the transport.

On the other hand, from what I’ve read, in Denmark, they had a government and an authoritative figure (the King) who weren’t willing to give up basic human values and refused to comply. So did the Danes : they didn’t comply, they hid the jews, they organized their escape.

Well…perhaps it isn’t a very optimistic view on the human nature. But unfortunately, I believe it played an important part. To be a little more optimistic, I’m sure that the importance of the antisemitic feelings played also an important part, especially since the Danish government didn’t appear out of thin air, has been chosen by the population, and represented them.

So, I certainly credit the Danes of this time (and their king, yellow star or not) for what they did, but this example nevertheless doesn’t change that much my pessimistic views. The better I can say is that apparently, even in the worst circumstances, there are always at least some people who do what is right.

The majority of people will follow a charismatic leader.
They adopt whatever morality that leader endorses. While the king never wore a yellow star, he was very supportive of the Jews. He led and his country followed.

Ghandi, King, and Mother Theresa inspired millions to follow them. Sadly, so did Hitler, Stalin, and Torquemada. Think of the effect Unca Cecil would have had on the world if he had chosen to spread ignorance rather than fight it.

I wouldn’t go this far. Charisma surely helps. But you cannot impose ideas that people are not receptive to through charisma alone.

Most small-time kook sects are led by charismatic leaders. This charisma helps them get a hold on their few followers who are not antipathetic to their principles. But they rarely get a wider following.

Finland had an even smaller jewish population than Denmark; in adition, it was an ally of nazi germany (not by choice-they had no other friend against Stalin’s russia). I understand that none of the Finnish jews were ever deported, thanks to the courage of Marshal Mannerheim (the Finnish leader). He bluntly told Hitler (regarding the Finnish jews)…“they are Finnish citizens, and if necessary I will order the army to protect them”-Hitler backed off.
Also (anaside), Mannerheim refused to send his army further into Russia (than the prewar 1939 border of Finland). This act probably saved Finland from postwar occupation by Soviet russia.

Good thread.
Perhaps another reason the Danes chose to oppose German desires in this area was that they were, and some still are, angry that Germnay had taken land from them. Denmark used to come down much further and Germany took it in the 19th century in a war. The one Dane whom I knew as a close friend would occassionally gripe about it. Perhaps back then it irked them much more then it does them now.

As per humanity I think you in any situation like this you will get a set of people who are morally opposed to this and will do what they can to fight it, like the Underground Railroad for runaway slaves. And sometimes this movement can gain enough ground where real advances in humanity are made, British Parliament outlaws slavery. I can’t comment on how many people like this there are and how they come to be but we sure could use more of them.

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Irrelevant example, IMO. Germany couldn’t impose the deportation of Jews in Finland, which was an ally, not an occupied country. Italian Jews weren’t deported, either.

Yes, but which occupied country had not grudges against Germany, at that time?

I just wanted to say to everyone that this is a terrific thread. While I have done a fair amount of research on Nazi Germany, most of it has been related to the Nationalist and Mystical longings in Austria and Germany that allowed the Nazi’s to come into power in the first place. I must admit that I have never come across much of anything written on this particular subject. Both the legend in the OP and the truth that followed have been extremely informative and interesting. THANKS!

I agree - thanks for dispelling the legend of the King Of Denmark and the yellow stars.

Can I also point out that in France, the Portuguese consul to Bordeaux (I think?) Aristides de Sousa Mendes was responsible for saving many Jews by giving them entry visas to Portugal, against the orders of the dictator of Portugal, Salazar.

I think one of the saddest things about the Holocaust is that more people didn’t do things like this, regardless of their nationality.

According to Sir Martin Gilbert’s Atlas of the Holocaust, 77 Danish Jews, 11 Finnish Jews and 8000 Italian Jews were murdered during the Holocaust. Gilbert has an description of the deportation of Italian Jews on pages 172-173. The rescue of Danish Jews is on pages 166-7. He mentions there that 500 Jews were left in Denmark after the rescue; all were deported, and 77 were killed.

That’s odd. The numbers I have are a little different. 464 Jews remained in Denmark. All were deported and 51 died/were killed. It was a bit of a sad footnote to an otherwise heartening tale that many of those left behind were the poor, who could not afford the cost of passage to Sweden (the rest were the elderly & infirm).

Indeed. A Japanese consul did the same (I can’t remember his name, nor in which country he did that). Also, this swiss police officer who allowed Jews to cross the boundary, despite contrary orders. AFAIK, all of them were dismissed and despite all we have learnt about nazism, only rehabilited during the ten last years, in all cases I believe after their death.

But weren’t they deported only after Italy surrendered, and therefore became (for its part still under german control) occupied by the nazis?

In any case, on the overall, the policy toward Jews in the fascit Italy was way more lenient than in any country occupied by Germany.

Paying their passage??? That’s odd! Their flight was organized, and they were asked to pay for the ticket???:confused:

You are talking about Sempo Sugihara, who was the Japanese Consul in Kovno, Lithuania. You can read more about him here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/sugihara.html

Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum in Israel has a site about Righteous of the Nations, with information on many of the people and stories discussed here:

http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/index_righteous.html