Denominations of Islam--A Sincere Question

I will try to take a stab at this and hopefully the things I gloss over/mess up can start a debate.

The modern Sunni-Shia split can be thought of as originating in a political dispute where the point of argument (who should lead) was itself a religious question. However, it wasn’t really a split in a way that is easily transferable to a Christian framework. Ali did get to be Caliph for a while after all, and Sunnis still regard him as the 4th rightly guided caliph. Differences between different Shia sects and between Sunnis developed slowly over time. The Fatimid Dynasty was not the Twelver Shia of modern Iran, but a sect from which the Ismaili Shia claim descent (and the Alawi in Syria, and the Druze (generally thought of as non-Muslim)).

Sunni refers to People of the Sunnah, as in people who follow the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad. This identity was not formed as part of Sunni-Shia disputes, but over later disputes about the proper methods of jurisprudence and practice within what we could call Sunnis.

Wahhabis (a semi-pejorative term) started as followers of a Saudi scholar named Abd al-Wahhab, who allied with the al-Saud clan to ‘cleanse’ Arabia of what he saw as polytheistic practices. They are exclusively Sunni, although many of them (along with Salafists) will eschew any label other than just Muslim.

Salafists describes a diverse group of Sunni traditionalists (which these days overlaps significantly with Wahhabis) who reacted to the rise of the West by advocating a return to the roots of Islam, and specifically to emulate (in some way or another) the first three generations of Muslims, who Muhammad is recorded as saying are the best Muslims ever.

Sufis are Muslims of any sect who practice what you shouldn’t call mysticism but everyone calls mysticism. Saying that someone is a Sufi does not tell you very much about their actual positions on issues, it’s more about practice.

To expand a bit, when the Shia-Sunni split happened, it wasn’t really about “Shias” or “Sunnis”, since neither of those groups as we know them today really existed. What happened was, as ñañi indicated, a political-religious struggle over who would lead the Muslim community, the ummah as the divinely-appointed successor (khalīfah) to Muhammad. When Muhammad died, there was a faction that felt only the members of the family of the Prophet, the Ahl al-Bayṫ, were chosen by God to be Caliphs - specifically, his son-in-law and cousin ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib. Muhammad’s father-in-law Abū Bakr was chosen instead, though, and he and was in turn succeeded by Umar ibn Al-Khattāb, and then ʻUthmān ibn ʻAffān.

It wasn’t until ʻUthmān was assassinated in an uprising that ʿAlī became Caliph. However, a rift arose between the associates and relatives of ʻUthmān who felt that he was unjustly and wrongly killed and ʿAlī should crack down on the rebels of the uprising that murdered him, and the supporters of ʿAlī (who were known as the shi’at Alī, the partisans of Alī) who felt that ʻUthmān was an illegitimate ruler and the rebels were right to overthrow and kill him so that God’s appointed successor to the Prophet, ʿAlī, could take his rightful position as Caliph. Some of the ʻUthmān faction, led in part by Abū Bakr’s daughter (and Muhammad’s widow) ‘Ā’isha bint Abī Bakr, engaged in their own armed revolt against ʿAlī, and were defeated by the shi’at Alī at the Battle of the Camel. To this day, the Shias bear a particular animosity towards ‘Ā’isha for her role in the revolt.

This did not end the challenges to ʿAlī’s rule - the governor of Syria, ʻUthmān’s cousin Muʿāwiyah, also led his armies against the Caliph. ʿAlī was unable to defeat him, and as Muʿāwiyah’s forces conquered city after city, ʿAlī’s power base fell apart, and he himself was assassinated.

Up to this point, all factions (even the shi’at Alī) agreed that everyone who had been Caliph so far was a legitimate and proper appointed successor to Muhammad (what are called the rāshidūn, or rightly-guided, Caliphs). What resulted after Muʿāwiyah’s revolt and claiming of the Caliphate as the first Umayyad Caliph, however, was a major rift in the ummah. The shi’at Alī (who became known as the Shias) held that Muʿāwiyah was not a legitimate Caliph, that the “true” Caliphate had passed down to Alī’s son Hasan (Muhammad’s grandson) as the fifth Caliph. The rest of the ummah supported Muʿāwiyah as the rightful fifth Caliph.

This rift deepened after Muʿāwiyah forced Hasan to abdicate but Hasan’s brother Husayn refused to pledge allegiance to Muʿāwiyah’s son 'Yazīd (who had succeeded his father as Umayyad Caliph). Husayn’s army was defeated by 'Yazīd’s army at the Battle of Karbala, and Husayn and all his followers were executed. The Martyrdom of Husayn at the hands of the Umayyad 'Yazīd is still today commemorated by Shias as the Day of Ashura.

The supporters of the victorious Umayyad dynasty would later go on to be the Ahl al-Sunnah, the “people of tradition” that are today called Sunni Muslims. The Shias, however, still rejected as illegitimate all of the Sunni Caliphs - for them, the true successor to Muhammad continued to be the members of the Ahl al-Bayṫ (after Husayn, embodied in Husayn’s son Alī’). Since the Shia “Caliph” had no political power, the role became an explicitly religious one - the Shia successors (called Imāms) were seen as much more like the Prophet they succeeded than the more temporal rulers that the Sunni Caliphs evolved into. Shia Imāms, as divinely selected direct successors to Muhammad, were seen as not just ruling the community, but were the only ones capable of properly interpreting the Qur’an and ahadith, and could even create their own sunnah by serving as exemplars for the community to follow just as Muhammad did, due to their unique ability to serve as as conduit between God and humanity (though they weren’t Prophets proper). Since this directly conflicted with both the role of Sunni religious scholars as the gatekeepers of religious interpretations and establishing the laws that Muslims must follow, as well as still essentially challenging Sunni leadership (in the form of who deserved to be Caliph) and were therefore subject to numerous religious and temporal persecutions, the Shia became a mostly reserved quietist movement, giving Shia Islam a distinct inward-looking spiritual flavor that differed from Sunni Islam.

The above mainly applies to Twelver Shia Islam (which the majority of Iranians follow and which can be said to be “mainstream” Shia Islam). Even the Shia couldn’t avoid further internal divisions, however - there are several subsects of Shia Islam, differing based on who they consider to be legitimate Imāms. The Ismāʿīlis who ruled Fatimid Egypt, for instance, are called Seveners, because they believe that Ismāʿīl ibn Ja‘far was the Seventh Imām, while Twelvers believe that the true Seventh Imam was Ismāʿīl’s brother Mûsâ ibn Ja‘far. Even then, there are offshoots of offshoots - a modern subset of Ismāʿīlism, the Nizaris, not only differ from the Twelvers on who the Seventh Imām was, they differ from the Twelvers in not believing that the line of Imāms came to an end with the twelfth Imām (which is why Twelvers are called Twelvers…they believe the twelfth Imām did not die but merely disappeared - the “Occultation” - and will return during the End Times), but instead continued on to the present day, with the current, 49th Imām being Prince Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan IV.

What would be a better name for it?

The Assassins or Ḥashshāshīn, founded by “the Old Man of the Mountain” Hassan-i-Sabah, were Nizari Ismailis.

“Mysticism” in the original sense instead of the modern “esoteric religious weirdness” sense still works. I’d perhaps suggest “inner spiritualism” as an alternate description.

Yes. And even they have offshoots…the Nizari are named for Nizār al-Muṣṭafá, who they consider to be the rightful 19th Ismāʿīli Imām instead of his brother Ahmad al-Mustāʿli (who the Mustā‘lī Ismāʿīlīs consider to be the rightful 19th Ismāʿīli Imām).

This is not correct. There are and have been saints (walis) in Maghrebine and african sunni practice for centuries. I am sure it is the case elsewhere too.

Is that due to the Catholic influence?

Can you go on about the concept of wali and how it differs from Catholic saints?

Is there a prohibition on drawing walis?

Catholic influence? No.

I am not a catholic so I can not speak about the catholic saints in comparison, but I see no resemblance.

making drawings of religious persons for the sake of worship is not considered proper in the maghreb, but the west african practice has it as like the mourides.

AK mentioned there were many Sunnis in South Asia who also prayed to saints as well.

That said, praying to saints is vastly more common among the Shia than the Sunnis.

For anyone interested, here’s a short video by Bernard Lewis outlining the “differences” between the Sunni and Shia, why comparing them to the Protestants and Catholics makes little sense, and why amongst Muslims of the Middle East, the lines aren’t as hard as one might think based on the violence in countries that are mixed.

http://youtu.be/THgechURnkU
Like a lot of things he’s done since he largely retired from academic life and wrote more for popular audiences parts should be taken with a grain of salt.

And to expand a little further :slight_smile:

Muawiyyah was the founder of the Umayyad dynasty, and the Umayyads were a leading Meccan Qureshi clan (Muhammad was also Qureshi, but of the Banu Hashem clan) family who had originally opposed Muhammad before losing. Their rise to leadership afterward was and is the subject of controversy, though most of what we know about them is from the time of the subsequent Abbasid dynasty (who as they took power appealed to Shia arguments but abandoned that pretty fast in practice), so take it with a grain of salt. Descent from the family of Muhammad as a qualifier for leadership is not unknown in Sunni circles; the Abbasids claimed so and today the Hashemite King of Jordan, for one, claims similarly.

I had learned that Ali was actually in a position of strength when Muawiyah managed to get him to agree to an arbitration, but regardless, they negotiated, and even though Ali’s holding of the Caliphate was NOT supposed to be part of that arbitration, Ali wasn’t the best negotiator. Ali was assassinated by radical supporters angry at his acquiescence, and these supporters later moved to the Arabian gulf coast area, and are remembered as the Khawarij. They had a pretty badass history IIRC but more or less died out, with the Ibadi Muslims (the majority sect of Oman) being the closest relation to them around today.

These events are important because they (or at least, traditional versions of them) are major cultural tropes. For example, I noticed while checking on spelling that someone edited Wikipedia’s page on the Khawarij to say:

“The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, al-Qaeda and like minded groups are also modern day Khawarij according to all major Salafi and Sunni scholars.[11][12][13][14]”.

Apart from Aisha, most of Muhammad’s companions did not support Ali and this was the source of an eventual difference between Sunni and Shia. Setting aside the issue of whether the complete Qur’an made it through or not, the eventual reliance on hadith that grew so dominant in Sunni circles centuries later depended on the unimpeachable trustworthiness of the companions, who after all, were their source for everything about Muhammad and the Qur’an. But Shia couldn’t really use many of these sources, since they had gone against Ali. So Shia hadiths (even if the content is the same) will often have different chains, and if an Imam is in the chain, he is considered 100% trustworthy so who came before isn’t important.

Because Shia were organized around charismatic Imams with special connections to the divine, they were more prone to splitting into distinct sects as leadership disputes arose. As others have mentioned, many groups descended from various claimants to the Fatimid caliphate who had lost out.

Sufi :slight_smile: The problem is really more just in the subjective connotations. In general, I’d say that mystic practices are those that are consciously spiritual, and do cross religious lines. But if your experience with a concept like mysticism is based on people like Meister Eckhart or Thomas Merton (or Miss Cleo), it’s not very helpful for understanding what Sufism, sufi brotherhoods, sufi doctrines etc. have meant in Islamic contexts. In many cases it’s counterproductive, like when some westerners talk about Sufism as if it’s a kind of hippy liberal Islam.

I know that if I had to be forced to convert from Catholicism to Islam I’d choose Alawite.

Not only do you get the standard Islamic holidays you get Christmas and Easter as well! Win-win!

As second choice, one of the Shia divisions seems pretty good. Christ is a pretty big figure with them

I think the difficulty lies in deciding whether you want to map Islamic denominations to Christian denominations based on doctrinal aspects (what they believe and how they operate), or whether you want to do it based on historical aspects (when and why they divided). There’s no inherent reason to say that those would result in the same associations.

Not in any direct sense, though the Islamic concept of wali does have Christian and Jewish influences.

Wali Allah, or “Friends of God” (after Q10:62, “Behold! verily on the friends [awliya] of Allah there is no fear nor shall they grieve” are individuals who have an exceptionally close relationship with God, which has resulted in God conferring his blessing (baraka) upon them. Wali can in turn pass this blessing onto others (even after death, which is why their graves and tombs often become shrines), and most are reputed to also have been able to perform miracles. Wali are most often associated with Sufism because Sufism is all about becoming closer to God.

The main differences between Catholic saints and wali is that there is no official canonization process for wali - most wali are locally venerated figures - and the rather…controversial nature of Intercession in Islam.

Not any more than there’s a prohibition on drawing anyone else (in general, anyway).

:slight_smile:

Yup. Muʿāwiyah himself was the son of Abu Sufyan, Muhammad’s chief opponent among the Quraysh in Mecca before his conversion to Islam.

“Khawarij” has become a general-purpose label for extremists and takfiri, with little connection to the historical Khawariji.

And it’s definitely not, as the Deobandi show.

I’d just like to add that North African Jews believe in the very similar concept of tzaddikim (“righteous men”). I don’t know who influenced whom here, or whether they were both influenced by some earlier outside source.

Yes,there are particularly in the berber regions for there to be some joint muslim and jewish saints.

Yes, tzaddikim are very much like wali (and I believe the concept exists in Judaism even outside North Africa - I was first exposed to the concept in André Schwarz-Bart’s The Last of the Just, in college).

Then, what does cause the Sunni-Shi’a violence? Which is considerable, especially in Iraq and Syria.

Hasidim, but I don’t believe dim! [rimshot]