Der Trihs, any chance of you giving it a rest?

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
I call bullshit on this. You are just mischaracterizing my statements, which then need to be clarified over & over. I would love for someone else to give an opinion on whether or not I am dodging anything. Dopers, care to weigh in on this?
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Of course not, but in order to respond to what you really said, they would have to take seriously some point of view other than their own.

Most of the Usual Suspects don’t read anything very closely. They check who posted it, come up with a standardized response, and then skim the post for something to apply that response to. If they can’t find anything, they give the response anyway.

SOP.

Regards,
Shodan

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[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
Sarafeena, silly, of course she only means the ones who are dishonest are the dishonest ones. (The brush is not only broad, it’s enchanted.)

I really didn’t understand the outcry about Don Imus’s comments either, since it should’ve been clear to everyone he was only referring to those players who did have nappy hair and really were whores.
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I am so dumb…I can never tell who is included in these generalizations, and who isn’t. I need some sort of broad brush decoder device.

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[QUOTE=Shodan]
Of course not, but in order to respond to what you really said, they would have to take seriously some point of view other than their own.

Most of the Usual Suspects don’t read anything very closely. They check who posted it, come up with a standardized response, and then skim the post for something to apply that response to. If they can’t find anything, they give the response anyway.

SOP.

Regards,
Shodan
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It’s just so bizarre, because I never made any claims as to any “vast, left-wing conspiracy.” I gave one small example of what one student, back in the '80s, experienced. That’s all. And I also reported that another student, enrolled in a different college at the same university at the same time, self-reports having a different experience. I said that in my FIRST POST. Where the “backing-off” and “dodging” came in when I later said I didn’t think there was a conspiracy, I am at a loss to see.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
As for the OP, I think his logic is a tad faulty. But again, we see that saddest of sad ‘why do you hate America’ retorts to him. A clue, foks: it’s dictatorships that don’t brook criticism of a nation and its politics. Those of you who claim to love freedom are seriously deluded if you can think that muzzling a Der Trihs expresses any sort of love of freedom. It means that you hate freedom and reject its practice. So don’t wear your American flag proudly while you refuse people their right to criticize it; because in doing what you do, it is you that defile it, not Der Trihs and his ilk.
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Were you even remotely close to being sober when you posted this? I don’t want to muzzle anyone. I pefer, though, that a person’s comments be grounded–even tangentially–in reality. And I have the freedom to express that sentiment, to call him on his inanity.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
Did you actually go to university? Which one? In which courses did you receive ‘political indoctrination’ and how?

What, exactly, is so horrible about liberal philosophy?
What, exactly, is so correct and good about conservative politics as carried out by Dub & co.?

I think it’s pathetic that conservatives and atheists have such a low view of all humans that they actually believe that only brainless robots enter universities or churches, become ‘programmed’ by a vast conspiracy of, I guess, ex-CIA brainwashers or something, and then emerge parroting what they’ve learned.

Nothing is further from the truth. How many teenagers do you know, SA, who are willing to accept ‘indoctrination’? It’s a ludicrous claim. And that’s the problem. Too many atheists and conservatives have, it seems, only a passing acquaintance with facts, with truth. They live in a strange world of their own imaginings. It’s sad to see them trying so earnestly to persuade you that the big boogeymans really do exist.

As for the OP, I think his logic is a tad faulty. But again, we see that saddest of sad ‘why do you hate America’ retorts to him. A clue, foks: it’s dictatorships that don’t brook criticism of a nation and its politics. Those of you who claim to love freedom are seriously deluded if you can think that muzzling a Der Trihs expresses any sort of love of freedom. It means that you hate freedom and reject its practice. So don’t wear your American flag proudly while you refuse people their right to criticize it; because in doing what you do, it is you that defile it, not Der Trihs and his ilk.
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Ah…how quickly they turn. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m afraid I won’t be attempting to answer this post, Quiddity, as I’ve decided to take a sabatical from posting in the Pit and GD for a while. This place tends to get me just too cranked up it seems, and every year to year-and-a-half or so I have to apologize and give myself an attitude adjustment. This is one of those times, as I attempt to explain here.

Regards,
SA

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You’re letting them get to you, Starving Artist. Don’t let it happen - Sarahfeena gave a good description of the process as it works hereabouts.

But enjoy the time off, waste some time in CS and the other fora, and check back when the elections heat up - some good liberal head-explosions are pending. :smiley:

That was just shorthand for “I tried to mischaracterize her post into something I could argue against, and it didn’t work.” You were “backing off” from a position they were trying to assign to you, and “dodging” the attempt to distort your posts into what they wanted you to have said.

Regards,
Shodan

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[QUOTE=Shodan]
You’re letting them get to you, Starving Artist. Don’t let it happen - Sarahfeena gave a good description of the process as it works hereabouts.

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True. But whereas she gives a good description of the process as it (so maddeningly) works around here, lately I’ve simply been giving forth with $#%@&% !!!* So it’s time to back off for a while. I’ll be back once I feel I can maintain at least a modicum of civility.

Thanks.

And oh, yeah…

Regards, Shodan. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]

I’m afraid I won’t be attempting to answer this post, Quiddity, as I’ve decided to take a sabatical from posting in the Pit and GD for a while.
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That’s shabby, dude. You made a bunch of claims in an earlier post in this particular Pit thread so the least you could do would be to stick around and back them up. Because otherwise it looks like you’re fleeing because you know you’ve got nothing to support what you said.

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[QUOTE=Monty]
Were you even remotely close to being sober when you posted this? I don’t want to muzzle anyone. I pefer, though, that a person’s comments be grounded–even tangentially–in reality. And I have the freedom to express that sentiment, to call him on his inanity.
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Why do people always assume that a response made subsequent to a post is entirely intended for the previous poster and nobody else? Did I say ‘Monty, why do you, personally, want to muzzle people’? No. Yeesh.

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
… to take a sabatical from posting in the Pit…
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51 minutes. Is that the record?

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[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]

I call bullshit on this. You are just mischaracterizing my statements, which then need to be clarified over & over. I would love for someone else to give an opinion on whether or not I am dodging anything.
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I think what we have here is a set of semantical differences. I’m taking your statements much more literally than you seem to intend them. I understood a couple of your statements to be supportive of the ‘indoctrination’ theory. You say I’ve got that wrong - ok then.

mhendo I have more things to do today than go hunt up the references, but ‘brainwashed’ and other similar pejorative remarks are made about religious people and liberals very often on SDMB. And they are rarely qualified; too often they are the broad-brush generalizations you accuse me of. Me, I unwarily left off the usual caveats in a post in the Pit. So shoot me. :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
That’s shabby, dude. You made a bunch of claims in an earlier post in this particular Pit thread so the least you could do would be to stick around and back them up. Because otherwise it looks like you’re fleeing because you know you’ve got nothing to support what you said.
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I don’t think anyone around here who knows my posting history believes I’m running from anything. I decided, in the midst of several simultaneous squabbles, that I was behaving like a jerk and that it was time to back off. It would be difficult to back off while still arguing the posts I made while in an exceedingly argumentative and belligerent frame of mind. So I decided to back off until I can post in a manner respectful at least to those attempting to argue their points honestly.

Make of this decision what you will.

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
I decided, in the midst of several simultaneous squabbles, that I was behaving like a jerk and that it was time to back off. It would be difficult to back off while still arguing the posts I made while in an exceedingly argumentative and belligerent frame of mind. So I decided to back off until I can post in a manner respectful at least to those attempting to argue their points honestly.

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Fair enough.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
I think what we have here is a set of semantical differences. I’m taking your statements much more literally than you seem to intend them. I understood a couple of your statements to be supportive of the ‘indoctrination’ theory. You say I’ve got that wrong - ok then.
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Please feel free to quote SPECIFIC statements that you think supported the indoctrination theory, so I can see where I have gone wrong in explaining myself.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
Why do people always assume that a response made subsequent to a post is entirely intended for the previous poster and nobody else? Did I say ‘Monty, why do you, personally, want to muzzle people’? No. Yeesh.
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Honest mistake, then! If you would, then, please point out which posters “claim to loves freedom” while also advocating “muzzling” Der Trihs. Should be easy enough, right? One or two names, at least, but if you want to name them all I’m sure that’d be fine too. Attach extra sheets if required.

Because otherwise, gosh. It might look almost as though you were making shit up, then backpedaling when called on it!

My suspicion is that your “freedom-lovers who want to muzzle Der Trihs” group will prove, when examined closely, to be as filled with mysterious, nameless phantoms as your “atheists opposed to facts and truth” group.

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[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
Please feel free to quote SPECIFIC statements that you think supported the indoctrination theory, so I can see where I have gone wrong in explaining myself.
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I alreadt did and you already did and so we’re cool.

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
…Make of this decision what you will.
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Another straight line fastidiously ignored. I’m on a roll, today…

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[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]

My suspicion is that your “freedom-lovers who want to muzzle Der Trihs” group will prove, when examined closely, to be as filled with mysterious, nameless phantoms as your “atheists opposed to facts and truth” group.
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Little hint: the thread title. Guess you missed that when you dropped by to spread sunshine and light. As for the other, if you insist continuing to misquote me after I already corrected you, that’s your little hobby - have fun with it.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
I alreadt did and you already did and so we’re cool.
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Not as far as I’m concerned, but whatever.

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[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
Little hint: the thread title. Guess you missed that when you dropped by to spread sunshine and light. As for the other, if you insist continuing to misquote me after I already corrected you, that’s your little hobby - have fun with it.
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I hate to have to repeat myself, but when I said this:

[QUOTE=Me]
Muzzling is not quite what is going on here. Asking someone to shut up because they offend you is freedom of speech, as well. Plain-spoken conservatives have been pitted here plenty, and asked to shut up, because people were offended. That’s the way it works.
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My point was that what it says in the thread title…a request to give it a rest…is NOT the same thing as “muzzling,” and I doubt the vast majority of the people here would consider it such.