Design your own Justice League

I like Vandelay’s template, so I’ll copy

  • mentor: J’Onn J’Onzz. Because he’s necessary
  • brains / team leader: Batman is the obvious choice, so I’m not going to go for him. Instead, I’m going for Captain Comet. He has more stories that need to be told.
  • muscle / trooper: Captain Marvel. Any team without J’Onn and Marvel is a waste of a JL issue :cool:
  • babe: Black Canary. See next entry.
  • trickster / comic relief: Green Arrow. Always loved the GA/BC interaction, even when they’re separated. Plus, GA can comic relief while still being a serious character.
  • rogue / rebel: Brin Londo/Timber Wolf, stuck in the 20th Century. Fenris started it.
  • grizzled veteran: Hal Jordan and/or Atom
  • rookie: Whoever the new Blue Beetle ends up being. Or Klarion for the mystical element.
  • non-powered sidekick: Adam Strange, although he’s not really sidekick material. Still, he’s one of my favorites, and rookie didn’t fit.

Cool reserves:
Red Tornado, Flash, Fire and Ice, Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Prince Grayvn (or however it is spelled), Supergirl, Firestorm, Dr. Light, Manitou Raven, Zatanna, Phantom Stranger

I would add Kid Eternity, just because he has a cool power, and so he could really screw with Batman by making his parents appear.

Sam Simeon, of Angel & The Ape fame is Grodd’s nephew. And he has some psychic abilities. Angel would make a good supporting character. See Phil Foglio’s 90’s series for further details. I wish they’d put that out in trade paperback! :mad:

Er… don’t read Rann/Thanagar War…

Hello, comic book Dopers.

Remember a few years ago, during one of DC’s innumerable “fifth week” comics events, when they came up with all these one-shot JLA permutations like the Justice League of Arkham and the Justice League of Air? Always thought they missed the boat, either by timidity or excessive PC-ness, when they failed to do an ethnically-themed “Justice League African-American.” Hell, they did Justice League of Aliens! They could have done with one more terrestrial group of similarly themed ethnic heroes! But nooooooo… I mean, what was stopping them, the extra “A”? Feh.

JUSTICE LEAGUE of AFRICA-AMERICANS

J’onn J’onnz. - LEADER/TACTICIAN
I can hear you protesting now. “He’s a Martian!” Well, heck, he’s not a White Martian, now is he? Let’s look at the other facts. He was stolen from his beloved homeland against his will. He was brought to America, persecuted, fighting for his survival on arrival. Folks – he’s quintessentially a brother. He’s a Buffalo Soldier! Whatever, man. My list, my pick. “Green” is the new “biracial.” Besides, he’s voiced by Carl Lumbly on the cartoon, and that’s good enough for me.

Black Adam. - OFFENSIVE POWERHOUSE
First, the afrocentrist in me won’t dignify the likely objection that the ancient Egyptians weren’t black. Secondly, those who want to object to his inclusion that he’s not “African-American” will be soundly ignored. Thirdly, if those of you reading the current incarnation of old Teth Adam in the recent INFINIT CRISIS just might be thinking he’s a bit too… uh, extreme and villainous these days. Hey. Kewl by me. It pays to have at least one seriously ruthless unmerciful bastard on the team and that’ll be Black Adam’s job.

Steel. - WEAPONSMITH. I’d keep John Henry Irons out of the ‘S’ shield and weapons suit altogether – except maaaaaybe as a sleeker, superengineering tool suit – and concentrate on his weaponsmaking and paraphernalia-accessorizing skills. I’d go all Grant Morrison in my concepts for him, far as my head could take it, thinking up weapons systems upgrades he’d make for the team and his contributions that way.

Black Lightning. - OLD SCHOOL HERO.
DC’s granddaddy of all old-school black heroes gets his spot on my team on legacy alone. Black Lightning’s cool. If Samuel L. Jackson didn’t have the Nick Fury role as the Ultimate’s Commander all sewn up, this is how I’d write him. He’ll be part of the team’s triumverate of experienced heroes – along with John Stewart’s GREEN LANTERN and J’ONN – the one who won’t back down from Batman’s stony stare and even use a few of his tricks to excellent effect. I’d noticeably age the character… while the rest of the DCU can be forever young, Black Lightning is a product of the Soul 70s and I’d like his crimefighting experience to reflect that thirty year career.

Bronze Tiger and Vixen. DEFENSIVE HAND TO HAND ASSAULT / WARFARE. Frankly, this pair will be the new Hawkman and Hawkwoman of my group: lovers, fighters, peacemakers, slight outsiders who owe alligiance more to each other than any cause. I like the combination of martial arts and animal superpowers. Vixen – along with Black Adam – represents the only other non American black voice on the team.

Alley-Kat-Abra. TACTICAL SORCERY.
No, you didn’t misread that. Yes, I am serious. I want an anthropomorphic talking funny animal on my team, dammit, just to be different, so I’m picking the coolest cat in the Zoo Crew. 'Cuz there’s just no way Felina Furr wasn’t black, yo. She was in Mew Orleans f’chrissake! Alley-Kat-Abra was black the way the original Post Sugar Crisp Sugar Bear mascot was black and Panthro from Thundercats was black. Anyway, I wanted a magic user and it was either her or Dr. Mist. My choice. Heck, I always pick pussy.

Green Arrow II. OFFENSIVE ASSAULT/ HAND TO HAND COMBATANT. Conner Hawke, son of Oliver Queen. I said green is the new biracial. Besides… you can’t have a “Green Arrow” on a JLA team without this other guy…

Green Lantern, John Stewart – The triumverate is complete. John’s experience speaks for itself and we need some cosmic power on the team besides J’onn.

First villains I’d have them fight would be Solomon Grundy just to get the big bad Southern white guy thing out way, before an African adventure in Gorilla City fighting Grodd and maybe a team-up with the black Bwana Beast fighting the racist Black Manta.

Askia, you left out Mr. Terrific and The Guardian. Go hand your head in shame. And if green is the new black, then you simply must include Ambush Bug.

Isn’t Bronze Tiger a bad guy?

Also, if you want an obscure black superhero veteran character, bust out Amazing-Man.

Mr. Terrific and the new Guardian are with the current incarnations of the JSA and Seven Soldiers. I need 'em where they are for team-ups.

YEAH. Ambush Bug! “I’m black! Aw, spit! Cut me some slack! This is jive! So’s your mama!.. It’s no use. I’m lily white at heart.” *

  • Recalled from memory. Now I’ll hang my head in shame.

Love Rhombus. Bronze Tiger is a bad guy? Since when?

My only knowledge of him is in Wiki, so I’ll cheerfully confess that he may well be a hero, or I may be thinking of another Bronze Tiger. Here’s the article I based my statement on.

Hmm… That must be out of date. He was fine in the short lived Richard Dragon series of a year or so ago. Saner than Dragon himself, arguably.

**Love Rhombus. ** Wow. Thanks for that. I haven’t even seen the Bronze Tiger in the DCU probrably since the Ostrander-written SUICIDE SQUAD run in the late 80s-early 90s, where he was definitely much more heroic – although a disciple of Amanda Waller.

Bronze Tiger, a violent berzerker? Oh, what’d they do to you, Ben?

It’s a little known fact that every white superhero has a black equivalent…same powers, almost the same costume…but getting only 3/5th the respect. What, you’ve never heard of Black Aquaman before? Exactly, my friend, exactly.

No need to go to those extremes. It’s been a decade since I read it, but IIRC, in the (dreadful, actually, tho’ it introduced some great concepts) Justice League of America #71 (which introduced the whole “Green Martian/White Martian” thing which was extruded by Denny “Subtle? What means this word ‘subtle’?” O’Neill at the height of the gawdawful “relevance” craze), there’s no doubt that he meant it to be a racial parallel with the cool, nice Green Martians being the brothers, while General Blanx (Really. That was his name) and his un-hip warlike white Martians were honkies. IIRC, the story carried all the careful nuanced allegory of a sledgehammer to the face.

You would have meant “Freedom Beast” (AKA: “Mr. I was dated about two weeks after I first appeared”) if we acknowleged that that story ever happened. But we don’t and it didn’t. I have no problem with a black B’wana Beast, but the dreadful Grant “I know what ‘subtle’ means, but for this story, I didn’t care” Morrison story must be assumed to be on Earth-B 'cause the level of preachy-ness was so high. :wink:

However, in return for forgetting “Freedom Beast” (eew), may I offer a pair of black women who should be included?

  1. Her costume needs a little work, but Bumblebee. (actually this drawing makes it look pretty good!) Bumblebee would make a great addition.
    Cool, collected and smart, she’d be a calming yin to Black Adam’s raging yang. And if she ditches that annoying Mal Duncan luser, there’s the possiblity of a Steel/Bumblebee romance. Hell, how many super-types intentionally invented themselves super-powers with the intent to wear a costume (as opposed to an accident)? Not many. Steel, Iron Man, maaaaybe The Atom, Invisible Kid and Bumblebee are the few that come to mind.

  2. Computo–young black woman from about 3 Legion reboots back. IIRC, the younger sister of Invisible Kid II. Interfaces with computers. Since her version of the Legion was erased several reboots back, she can be trapped in and rescued from the “My Continuity Was Rebooted Zone” or something.

I just read her reintroduction last night. >_>

Yeah, she’s IK2’s sister, Danielle. Briefly possessed by Computo (as in the psychotic computer Brainiac 5 accidentally created waaaaaaaay back in the 50s) when Brainy was trying to cure her of an unspecified neurological disorder. After he cured her of THAT, one of the Legion HQ’s computers had a strange reaction to her. Then that story was ignored for a few years (her only appearances were when Jaques (IK) was visiting her), until after the 5 Year Gap - Daniel had been captured and tampered with by the Dominators - it’s unclear if they caused her power to manifest itself, or to strengthen, or if they were just going to mindwipe her for their usage. They seem to have done all 3. Anyhow, she manages to break herself, Crystal Kid, Dragonmage, and Catspaw out just before the pods were destroyed.

[Norman Bates] Everyone goes a little mad sometimes[/Norman Bates]

DC Folks
A good site

Lemur866. Funny!

Fenris. You’re a treasure trove of lore. I had no idea that Denny O Neill introduced the White Martian/Green Martian thing way back when.

I did know of Freedom Beast from ANIMAL MAN, (“Bwana Beast, eh? That racist imperialist title has to go.”) but if I have my druthers I was going to revert back to “Bwana Beast” because 1) Morrison got it wrong: “bwana” is actually a title of deep respect and not some imperialist designation and 2) as you said, overtly tying Freedom Beast with the former apartheid policies of South Africa is dated.

Whether you call him Freedom Beast or Bwana Beast, the character has a really kickass superpower – the ability to control animals and combine any two species into one viable superhybrid – and he needs to be reintroduced into the DCU.

Thanks for the suggesting Bumblebee and Computo. Another African-American female hero I considered was Skyrocket from Busiek’s POWER COMPANY.

Tengu. You make me wish I had kept up with Griffen’s LEGION stories.

** Love Rhombus.** Thanks for the link.

I am astounded no one commented on my use of Alley-Kat-Abra! Y’all must be thinking I’m kidding.

Well, her fur is certainly black, 'cept around the face.

The problem is that the “Freedom Beast” guy (I don’t remember his secret identity) is, well, a jerk. I’m sick of the “Angry black guy” motif. It was dated when John Stewart was introduced (again by Denny O’Neill!)…luckily, Stewart got a personality transplant by his second appearance (JLofA #110) and stopped talking like a refugee from a blaxpoitation flick (“Holy Christmas, stick it to da man you honkey!”) The problem is that the Freedom Beast guy is, IMO, too tainted to use (he’s tied in with apartheid, he’s committed murder, he’s a jerk). At this point, it’d make more sense to just have him killed quietly off-panel and someone else could find the helmet and the bottle.

Hey, I’m the one who wanted Bouncing Boy in! :smiley: I’d be more likely to argue about the appropriateness of Black Adam. (And let’s not, shall we? I’m perfectly comfortable agreeing to disagree) :smiley:

Hey now…nothing wrong with Chuck! Taine rocks!

OK, I’m biased towards the fat kid with the hot wife…

However, when they were discussing Infinite Crisis around the time that Identity Crisis came out, they (IIRC, ‘they’ is Geoff Jones…maybe) flatly stated that (close paraphrase) “Inifinte Crisis would not be “cosmic”. It’s a very down-to-earth, street-level story about the relationships between the big three heroes. People looking for cosmic multiverse being destroyed type stuff are going to be disappointed.” So they’re not above blatent lying. (Which I’m ok with…it made the surpise at the end of IC#1 even better!)

I also heard a bit of fan-speculation/scuttlebutt that I don’t remotely believe, but boy is it a cool idea:

[spoiler]
Bruce Wayne becomes the new Spectre.

Unlike Halactus becoming the Spectre, this one actually makes sense and is kinda cool, actually.[/spoiler]