Rosemary Hunter has applied for the (One Million Dollar Randi) Challenge, media presence requirement included, with the claim that she can make people urinate themselves with the power of her mind.
Ms. Hunter has also presented an affidavit from an academic, however in this demonstration, she made the individual cry uncontrollably with the power of her mind.
Ms. Hunter’s article (which is no longer available on the newspaper’s web site) was written by Mike Seuffert of Sun News.
Mr. Seuffert invited Rosemary to take him to a park and attempt to make him urinate. Mr. Seuffert stopped the demonstration when he began to feel strange and ill. (it was not stated that he felt like urinating, or indeed, in fact urinated - but this possibility cannot be discounted)
Ms. Hunter says this ability is a gift from God, and that she is one of His angels.
Having read this I felt there must be something in this story, as I felt a slight (though not uncontrollable) urge to urinate and almost uncontrollable urge to laugh (uncontrollably).
I wonder if Czarcasm, or any other reader, could suggest a fool proof scientific procedure to test this claim?
Randomly select n individuals. Assign half of them to one group, which sits in a room adjacent to a second empty room. Assign the other half to the second group, which sits in a room adjacent to Ms. Hunter. Ms. Hunter can meet all n individuals ahead of time if need be, and can be told ahead of time (the subjects cannot be told ahead of time) which subject she is targeting. She must then induce the subject to urinate. The subjects will be allowed free access to a restroom. If the targeted subjects use the restroom more frequently or earlier than untargeted subjects, Ms. Hunter wins.
richnz, do you have a point to this? As a (poor) parody, it still appears to lack an actual point to debate.
No response?
Fine.
Closed.
The thread has been re-opened with the hope that the OP can provide a coherent explanation of what is desired.
Unlike the dowsing test, where it is difficult to get any two dowsers to agree on proper protocols(hence the debate on how to properly design a more universal protocol for said test), 100% of the people who have applied for the urination test agree on the protocols that were designed for said test.
Thus, there is absolutely nothing to debate.
nameless that test is good but not foolproof. There are several things to be considered.
Firstly the claim is of uncontrollable urination. This means that the person would have to literally wet their pants. There would be no time for them to reach the restroom.
Then there is the question of time. Selection of the volunteers. Distance from the volunteers. Touching, sounds etc.
At one time JREF asked for protocol suggestions from the public.
Now the test was actually carried out and I have watched it. Ms Hunter agreed that just one member of the JREF staff, Jeff Wagg, wet his pants in 15 minutes.
Touching of hands and speaking, in this case, would be permitted. If she succeeded in making Mr Wagg wet his pants she would have succeeded in the preliminary test.
Ms Rosemary Hunter was to my eyes, not a charlatan, in the sense she actually believed she could do what she claimed she could do. Unfortunately she couldnt, at least on this occassion, in front of the camera’s and hence failed her test.
She is allowed to reapply 1 year from the date of her test - which would be in Nov of this year. It could be others could now claim such powers hence suggestions for a universal fool-proof test.
Czarcasm - No matter what protocol you might design, and JREF have had plenty of practise with this, the dowsers may not agree to the terms.
I beg to differ with you, that my thread is in any way different from yours. In my opinion it is exactly the same.
Thus if “there is absolutely nothing to debate” in my thread, then as a corollary, “there is absolutely nothing to debate” in yours.
I wonder what the readers think on this?
There is nothing to debate here because the only participant in the test for a psychic urination ability fully agreed to the protocols, took the test, and failed. It looks as if the test as designed had no flaws and doesn’t need to be changed at all. No other person has claimed to have this ability, so no other person has complained about the protocol.
She had no problem with the test.
JREF had no problem with the test.
What exactly is your problem with the test?
I think richnz’s point is that the debates in Great Debates aren’t really that Great. He implies in his pit thread that he has numerous ideas for much greater debates, but he doesn’t want to waste his pearls on us swine.
It’s a pity, if tomndebb was just a little nicer the quality of this board would’ve skyrocketed like never before. Oh well, maybe next time.
Issues are not changed by numbers, whether one person claims to have a false claim or a million.
JREF has bebunked every dowser claim tested as they did the person with psychic urination - so whats YOUR problem there?
You are missing the issue(s) here.
I maintain that my thread is exactly similar. issue-wise, to your thread, though the subject is more humourous.
I feel that there is very little to debate about in your thread - (you do the maths for mine)
You can read my posting in the pit.
So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu…
Perhaps they should have tested for psychic eyerolling…
(yes I’m going to sarcasm hell for that one)