Did Castro Have JFK Killed?

Sadly, not many people at the TSBD were questioned about Oswald allegedly marching into work bearing a grocery bag with at least a foot of the rifle poking out the top.

How carefully would someone have to look to discern whether someone was carrying a rifle, do you think?

Yes, it’s hardly an ‘indisputable fact’ when the Warren Commission’s own witnesses disagree with their hare-brained conclusions.

I leave it up the the historians I have cited and the ones they cite to determine whether the withdrawal plans are the same thing as the ‘escalation’ alleged by other posters.

Glad you cherry picked a telegram to a politician on the other side (Nixon’s running mate in the 1960 electoral contest). If I had to come up for an explanation for why Kennedy might keep his sure to be controversial plan under cover for the time being - another election looming - I’d suggest he was being cagey until his plans were ripe. In the meantime I think I will stick with modern historical scholarship on this issue.

Only if that was indeed an exit wound. If it is, I’m not sure how you reconcile it with a grassy-knoll shooter since a similar amount of “boomeranging” would also be necessary. How would a shot coming from the right also exit to the right?

If it’s actually an entry wound, it clearly indicates a trajectory from the rear and above, i.e. the depository, and not from ahead, right and above, i.e. to the knoll.

As you do not seem to be aware, the current thinking among Lone Nutter Theorists is that a shot from behind entered the right side of the President’s head and exited the right side of his head (hence the necessity of a ‘jet effect’ back and to the left).

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AFAICT there is no law of physics that requires a bullet striking a human head must pass through the geometrical center on its way to the exact ‘opposite’ quadrant.

Don’t you think that a bullet on a downward trajectory would tend to continue downward? A shot in the back of the head exiting the lower part of the face instead of the side of the head?

McAdam’s illustration shows a virtually flat trajectory, as if Kennedy were shot from the street.

Well now, that’s just nonsense. Oswald was identified by two eyewitnesses. Shell casings were recovered at the shooting scene and identified as coming from the gun that Oswald was carrying when he was captured. Oswald was charged with the murder of Tippit hours* before* he was charged with Kennedy’s murder.

If I were to give any credence to a Conspiracy Theory, I would be more inclined to believe one who claimed that Oswald was framed because he shot Tippit and the police had him in custody, not that he was randomly chosen out of all the people in Dallas to take the rap for all the homicides that day.

I’m quite aware of the current best theory as supported by evidence. I’m curious how you could reconcile the head wound with a grassy knoll shooter, though. Does it require some kind of exotic science-fiction bullet material? Perhaps some kind of bank shot, caroming the bullet off the overpass?

It’s fairly easy to draw a straight line from the depository across the right side of Kennedy’s skull, leaving the left side of his skull fairly intact. Can you post a sketch of a hypothetical grassy knoll shooter’s bullet that has a similar effect?

Have you ever actually seen the Zapruder film? If you had, you’d note that Kennedy was leaning forward significantly at the moment of the fatal shot. What you describe relies on an assumption that Kennedy was sitting perfectly upright, a failing you share with many theorists who try to question the so-called “magic bullet” trajectory.

All the employees of the TSBD were gathered together after the assassination. Only Oswald was missing. Why did Oswald leave, go to his boarding house and get a pistol, shoot a cop, sneak into a theater, and then try to shoot another cop when confronted in the theater?

Oh, and Oswald told the police that when he left work he took a cab part of the way home. He also told them it was the first time in his life he had ever been in a cab. Something fairly significant must have happened to get Oswald to hail a cab for the first time in his life.

Oswald did shoot at Walker. He told his wife this before the story broke in the press.

The bullet on the stretcher was not pristine. It was flattened.

The rifle was disassembled in the paper bag, by the way. That’s why the barrel wasn’t sticking out. The backyard photos are real. That is a fact. They were reexamined just a few years ago and even the conspiracy crowd conceded that the pictures were not faked.

And how did exhuming Oswald work out for you?

Don’t forget how he tried to shoot another cop when he was being arrested in the theater.

I didn’t want to get into too much detail. I know facts confuse some people.:wink:

I’m vaguely curious how far Oswald might have gotten if he had planned ahead a little bit. What if he had already bought bus or train tickets leaving Dallas that afternoon (leaving at various times since he wouldn’t know precisely when he’d get his shot)? What if he’d scraped together enough dough for a crappy used car, bought privately under a fake name and without telling any of his co-workers, and had it parked a few blocks away? I doubt he had the resources for an extended chase, but I could see it being a few days or weeks at least before they got him.

Of course, if Oswald could plan ahead, he wouldn’t be Oswald.

I don’t think LHO expected to get far. He left almost all his money, and his wedding ring, where his wife would find it. He didn’t have enough for a car that would get him very far.

Nor would he have gotten far in any case. The only missing employee from the building where the shots were fired tries to skip town. Gee, that’s not suspicious at all. And Tippit spotted him as matching the description of the shooter about fifteen minutes after the shooting, and Oswald opened fire on him almost at once. In front of twelve people, three of whom picked him out of a line up. Cartridges found at the scene of the Tippit shooting matched the gun in Oswald’s possession to the exclusion of every other gun on earth.

Regards,
Shodan

James Earl Ray planned ahead when he shot Martin Luther King and he managed to get from Memphis to Atlanta by car, then to Toronto by bus and train, then flew to London with a fake passport. All told, he stayed on the run for two months.

On the other hand, Timothy McVeigh was captured 90 minutes after the Oklahoma City bombing for a completely unrelated reason. He was stopped for not having a license plate on his car, then arrested when the state trooper saw he was carrying a concealed weapon. That seems like it would be more Oswald’s fate.

Ray is the example I was thinking of - I doubted Oswald had the resources to get to Europe. He might have been able to hide out in the southwest for a while, though, if he could at least get clear of Dallas.

Yeah, Oswald’s whole life just screams “loser”, don’t it?

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