Again, doorhinge, why didn’t you stop the debacle? You could have called Foye at any time, but you didn’t.
Because no one notified him?
(Did you know that Truman Burbank believes it’s important that people know he was going to eat a cookie on Mar 3rd, 2014? I didn’t. I was unable to stop this miscarriage of ingestion because I wasn’t made aware of the situation. That and the fact that I don’t care what he eats, even though he believes I should.)
I’m more concerned with the interesting/bizarre situation within the Port Authority of NY and NJ. There seems to be at least 4 major factions trying to run the show. NJ Democrats, NJ Republicans, NY Democrats, and NY Republicans.
However, Democrat NY Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo had appointed NY Democrat Foye as Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Democrat NJ Mayor Sokolich didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t contact NY Democrat Port Authority Foye in order to end the Port Authority caused traffic jam in Ft Lee.
Why can’t NJ Democrats call NY Democrats in order to solve a non-study study traffic jam?
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I wasn’t aware of the Ft Lee traffic jam until Kelly’s email calling for the start of traffic problems in Ft Lee became public.
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I have no authority in NJ.
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I oversee no jurisdiction in NJ.
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I had never heard of Pat Foye.
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I had never heard of Mayor Sokolich.
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I had never heard of Ft Lee, NJ.
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It’s 1100 miles from me.
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I still don’t care if Ft Lee has traffic problems.
And Christie did have jurisdiction in NJ, knew all the relevant personnel and had direct responsibility for making sure his people sorted out the problem.
And comparing a person eating a cookie to tying up traffic on the GWB once again suggests that you either don’t understand the issue or are handwaving it away. This is not “someone eating a cookie”; this is like your sewer line rupturing in your front lawn and you pretending it’s not happening. For FOUR DAYS.
I did not introduce the “cookie eating” example to this thread. That was Truman Burbank. You’ll have to ask him why he thought it was relevant.
I’ve said it before, Christie is responsible for Kelly. There has been no evidence presented, to date, that Christie was involved in the Great Lane Reassignment debacle. There is evidence that Port Authority Wildstein and Baroni were involved in the planning, implementation, and attempted cover up of the Great Lane Reassignment debacle.
Sounds like a bunch of excuses.
True, there has been no evidence presented to date. It’s theoretically possible that members of his staff, situated just yards from his office, went rogue and thought up the whole thing. So IF these staff members that Christie publicly villified in his press conference do not offer up conflicting testimony, then Christie will survive to complete his term. As a presidential hopeful, he’s still 350 pounds of toast. It’s going to be a while before the US Attorney shows his cards. Still, the bigger scandal in my mind is the abuse of federal recovery funds. I don’t think there’s a prison-worthy crime in the bridge scandal, but treating federal recovery money as your political slush fund is going to put him behind bars.
Wait, doorhinge, how is it relevant that you have no authority in New Jersey? We’ve already established that the people one needed to talk to to solve this problem were in New York, and you have the exact same amount of authority in New York that Mayor Sokolich does.
So? No one notified Sokolich that he wasn’t going to be able to fix this the normal way, and you think that just shows Sokolich is incompetent.
Christie had the power to know if he chose.
Christie had the power to stop it if he chose.
He didn’t choose to do either. Incompetence.
He didn’t stop something that was hurting his constituents. Incompetence.
Wah, no one told him! Wah, he was in the dark! Wah, it’s a conspiracy!
Incompetence.
You cannot blame others for what they didn’t know and absolve Christie for what he didn’t know.
You cannot blame others for what they didn’t do and absolve Christie for what he didn’t do.
He had the ability, he had the power, he had the position, he could have had the knowledge if he wanted to.
Incompetence.
There is absolutely nothing you can throw against Sokolich that doesn’t implicate Christie.
There is no criticism of Sokolich that can’t be applied more aptly to Christie.
If Sokolich should have known, Christie should have known.
If Sokolich should have acted, Christie should have acted.
If Sokolich should have called someone in particular, Christie should have called someone in particular.
The more power you have, the more responsibility you have. Haven’t you ever seen Spider-Man?
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There could be story in the alleged abuse of federal recovery funds. But “they” still have to prove it. There is the possibility that the Lt Governor tried to strongarm the Mayor of Hoboken but the TV commercial is probably easier to prove. The Lt gov vs Mayor Hoboken is a she says/she says situation. Unless “they” can uncover similar situations involving the Lt Gov, that lead is pretty much a dead end. I would think that the TV commercial should have been a straight up business deal with written bids and records. Either the low bidder got the job or they didn’t.
Yes.
(It’s difficult for a doorhinge to argue with a goddess. You are something to adore and I am merely something to a door.) 
It’s not relevant.
The bottom line is that there is no credible evidence that Christie was involved in the Great NJ Lane Reassignment. Yet.
Thank you for adding the “yet.”
Yes, there is hard, absolute evidence that he was involved. What there is not yet evidence of is that he was the direct instigator, but even absent that, he was involved by virtue of it being his staffers and appointees who did it.
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doorhinge, you brought up the issue of the effectiveness of Sokolich’s actions. While others may agree, don’t you think it a bit shameless of you to just call it “not relevant” now?
Do you acknowledge that comparing a mayor of a town of 36,000 people to the governor of a state with 14 electoral votes - 11th highest - is, how shall I say, misleading? Perhaps, dare I say, spurious?
In advertising, this isn’t the whole truth.
For a start - the lowest bid may not have been the best, and advertising should not neccessarily go to the lowest bidder (but let’s not debate that here)
More at issue, is to have Christie star in the ads - if you don’t realise how this helps him, and how money could have been “legitimately” channeled to him because of this, then you are being willfully stupid.
If they chose the agency based on Christie being used, or “forced” the agency to use Christie - it is absolutely corruption in my mind
That was well done. We may disagree on most things but I appreciate your wit.
Dammit. I was afraid I making too subtle and nuanced a point, and that someone might miss it…:smack:
You’re welcome. And thank you for publicly acknowledging my use of the word, “yet”. Many posters seem to have overlooked the fact that I’ve repeatedly said that there is no proof/evidence of Christie being involved in the Great NJ Lane Reassignment “yet”.
I’m not defending Christie. I’ve never defended Christie. I question the repeated media reports that suggest Christie was involved without their providing any evidence that Christie was actually involved. If Christie is guilty, then Christie is guilty. If Christie isn’t guilty…
I’m willing to wait for the investigations play out before make a decision about Christie’s guilt.
I live by my wits. Half a living is better than nothing.
I appreciate your position that there are many other questions concerning Christie’s government. Questions that seem much more important than the, as of yet, unproven allegations that Christie was personally trying to punish Sokolich for whatever the latest rumors suggest.
If Christie manipulated the TV commercials to line his own pockets, that would be a bad thing. The commercials were, if I’m not mistaken, designed to bring tourists back to the storm damaged area. If Christie took advantage of the commercials airing to place his mug (face) before the public, well, that’s just smart politics. The incumbent always has that advantage. That’s politics.