Did Christie (or his staff) intentionally cause the Fort Lee traffic jam?

[doorhinge]

@Johnny_L.A

…Wildstein did ‘work for the Port Authority’.

…technically accurate.

…There is something I don’t understand.

…Everyone knows you’re trying to put a positive (or at lease less negative) spin on Wildstein’s position.

…Everyone sees what you’re doing.

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Yes, Wildstein did work for the Port Authority.

“Port Authority’s Wildstein” is an accurate description.

It’s absurd that you think you speak for Everyone. Have you even met everyone? You’re actually speaking for yourself.
*George Wade (Hugh Grant): Before you came into my life I could make all kinds of decisions now I’m addicted I have to know what you think. What do you think? [holds up cufflinks]
Lucy Kelson (Sandra Bullock): I think your the most selfish human being on the planet.
George Wade: Well that’s just silly. Have you met everybody on the planet?

• quote from “Two Weeks Notice”*

[BobLibDem]

What’s it going to take for you to say Christie’s guilty, doorhinge? If Kelly and/or Wildstein sing and say “Yeppers, I was acting on Christie’s direct orders” would you throw in the towel? Or do you need a signed and notarized order from Christie himself ordering the lanes to be closed?

I’ll flip the question on myself and say that if both Wildstein and Kelly get immunity and still testify that Christie was in the dark and did not participate in the planning or the cover up, then I’ll say “sorry, big guy. I misjudged you.”

In the meantime, I no more begrudge you the right to protest Christie’s innocence than I do my own dancing at the prospect of seeing Christie in an orange jumpsuit.

Whether the truth lies at either extreme or somewhere in the middle, there was never any chance for him to get the nomination anyway.

[Johnny_L.A]

@doorhinge

“Port Authority’s Wildstein” is an accurate description.

As I said, it’s technically accurate. It is not meaningfully accurate.

Let me try once again…

Suppose you have MegaPharm, which says their new drug has been clinically tested to be safe and effective for treating a previously untreatable illness. They produce a report by Creative Testing LLC that verifies everything MegaPharm is saying.

Only, Creative Testing LLC is a subsidiary wholly owned by MegaPharm. MegaPharm is technically accurate when they say that their new drug has been clinically tested to be safe and effective. No one can say they are lying. But the technical accuracy is not meaningful. It is a ‘continuing misrepresentation’.

@BobLibDem

Or do you need a signed and notarized order from Christie himself ordering the lanes to be closed?

It would have to be the ‘original long form’ order.

[doorhinge]

@BobLibDem

What’s it going to take for you to say Christie’s guilty, doorhinge? If Kelly and/or Wildstein sing and say “Yeppers, I was acting on Christie’s direct orders” would you throw in the towel? Or do you need a signed and notarized order from Christie himself ordering the lanes to be closed?

I’ll flip the question on myself and say that if both Wildstein and Kelly get immunity and still testify that Christie was in the dark and did not participate in the planning or the cover up, then I’ll say “sorry, big guy. I misjudged you.”

In the meantime, I no more begrudge you the right to protest Christie’s innocence than I do my own dancing at the prospect of seeing Christie in an orange jumpsuit.

Whether the truth lies at either extreme or somewhere in the middle, there was never any chance for him to get the nomination anyway.

My position has nothing to do with Christie being guilty or not. If he’s guilty, he can join a long line of Illinois governors who have been sent to prison. If Christie is proven innocent or there is never any proof that Christie is guilty, I will still get 8 hours sleep every night and eat all the cookies I want. Life will go on.

Do you think the Christie is guilty camp will ever admit that Christie wasn’t involved, even if they were presented with a signed and certified document from Bill and Hillary plus Obama and God? I don’t think so, either.

I object to the unverified rumors that have been circulated about the Great NJ Lane Reassignment and the lynch mob mentality of the media and internet. Christie must be guilty because he’s fat, a fucking republican, wanted to punish Sokolich, went to high school in NJ, attends photo-ops and meet-and-greets with Port Authority employees, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I just want to see actual, verifiable proof that Christie was involved.

(Just between you and me, I could probably make a better case for Christie being guilty than anything I’ve seen so far, but that would only undermine my position. )

I do think it’s time for the political persecution committee to fold it’s tent and get out of the way of the federal investigation. At least the feds can put people in prison and fine them a hundred sows and bucks.

[doorhinge]

@Johnny_L.A

As I said, it’s technically accurate. It is not meaningfully accurate.

Technically accurate is accurate. Whether it’s meaningful to you, or not, is of no concern to me. You seem to have overestimated your opinions importance to me.

[Zakalwe]

@doorhinge

he can join a long line of Illinois governors who have been sent to prison

Christie must be guilty because he’s … a fucking republican

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Gotcha. You have NOOOOOO stake in this. Riiiiiggghhhttt…

Fight the good fight there, doorhinge. Everybody is buying the “I’m not partisan! I just happen to hate all Democrats and love all Republicans, but that just makes me a searcher for the Truth, not a partisan!” routine.

[Truman_Burbank]

@doorhinge

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Less accurate? That’s absurd. Wildstein worked for the Port Authority. I’m not joining the lynch mob based on your opinion that a fact is somehow less accurate. Or for any other red herring, no matter how it’s served.

Mayor Sokolich will be mighty glad you’ve decided to stop serving up red herrings.
Sheesh.

[doorhinge]

@kaylasdad99

Personally, I don’t really mind if the “why” is never definitively established. I’m okay with removing Christie from office just because he’s a fucking Republican.

@Zakalwe

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Gotcha. You have NOOOOOO stake in this. Riiiiiggghhhttt…

Fight the good fight there, doorhinge. Everybody is buying the “I’m not partisan! I just happen to hate all Democrats and love all Republicans, but that just makes me a searcher for the Truth, not a partisan!” routine.

I doubt that you speak for “everyone”. I don’t care if Christie is guilty or not. There are many other Christie threads for people who chose to participate in Kool-Aid pissing contests. I do object to the cluster-fuck “reporting” provided by the lynch mob media. I also question why so many people object to anyone questioning the media’s many unverified versions of what actually happened.

I provided a list of reasons used by people who want Christie to be guilty or want other people to believe that Christie is guilty. “Fucking Republicans” was kaylasdad99 term. If you want to understand why he chose that term, you’ll have to direct your questions to him.

[doorhinge]

@Truman_Burbank

Mayor Sokolich will be mighty glad you’ve decided to stop serving up red herrings.
Sheesh.

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@Truman_Burbank

OK, fine

"I consider Sokolich to be ineffective because he wasn’t effective. Port Authority Foye was effective and ended the traffic jam in Ft Lee. It’s up to the Ft Lee voters to decide if Sokolich’s efforts are worth reelecting him again. "

I just finished lunch. I’m going to have a cookie now.
Try and stop me, smart guy! You will, in your simple worldview, now become either effective, or not.

Oops, too late. You are ineffective.

Hahahaha. It was you who created the bestest red herring ever. It’s a classic. Other red herrings bow down to your red herring.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, Sokolich is a key piece of the puzzle that is the Great NJ Lane Reassignment. It appears that the Port Authority bureaucracy is so screwed up that Port Authority’s Wildstein could have created a similar situation in any NJ town under Port Authority jurisdiction. Why was he drawn to Ft Lee? Was it because he knew that Sokolich had no political clout? Was it because he knew that Sokolich was the least likely mayor to be able to fix the problem? What is known is that after four days, Sokolich was able to accomplish nothing. His constituents must be very proud.

[MacCat]

@doorhinge

Was it because he knew that Sokolich was the least likely mayor to be able to fix the problem?.

Who would be the most likely mayor to be able to fix the problem(s) the Christie appointees inflicted upon Fort Lee?

[elucidator]

Would have been Bloomburg, he could pretty much have bought New Jersey.

[Procrustus]

@doorhinge

I doubt that you speak for “everyone”. I don’t care if Christie is guilty or not. There are many other Christie threads for people who chose to participate in Kool-Aid pissing contests. I do object to the cluster-fuck “reporting” provided by the lynch mob media. I also question why so many people object to anyone questioning the media’s many unverified versions of what actually happened.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, the media has not put out unverified versions of what actually happened. What I object to is your inability to understand what the media is reporting and your baseless assumption that the media have acted as a “lynch mob.”

[DragonAsh]

I always wondered what it would be like, talking to one of the hopelessly, cruelly brain-washed North Korean citizens, mindlessly repeating devotions to their Beloved Leader.

After reading 20 pages of doorhinge posts, I no longer wonder.

[doorhinge]

@MacCat

Who would be the most likely mayor to be able to fix the problem(s) the Christie appointees inflicted upon Fort Lee?

If you’ll provide a list of possible candidates, I’ll be more than happy to chose one.

Or, you can direct your question to Port Authority’s Wildstein. Unless he’s not returning your calls, either?

[doorhinge]

@Procrustus

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, the media has not put out unverified versions of what actually happened. What I object to is your inability to understand what the media is reporting and your baseless assumption that the media have acted as a “lynch mob.”

How do you know that Christie is guilty? Or that Christie should be guilty? Where did you get your decision-making information from? A Ouija board? Magic 8-Ball? Tarot cards? Palm reader? News media?

[Zakalwe]

@doorhinge

How do you know that Christie is guilty? Or that Christie should be guilty? Where did you get your decision-making information from? A Ouija board? Magic 8-Ball? Tarot cards? Palm reader? News media?

How do you know that the media is saying Christie is unequivocally guilty? Cite to a news media piece stating this or shut the fuck up.

[Truman_Burbank]

@doorhinge

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Hahahaha. It was you who created the bestest red herring ever. It’s a classic. Other red herrings bow down to your red herring.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, Sokolich is a key piece of the puzzle that is the Great NJ Lane Reassignment. It appears that the Port Authority bureaucracy is so screwed up that Port Authority’s Wildstein could have created a similar situation in any NJ town under Port Authority jurisdiction. Why was he drawn to Ft Lee? Was it because he knew that Sokolich had no political clout? Was it because he knew that Sokolich was the least likely mayor to be able to fix the problem? What is known is that after four days, Sokolich was able to accomplish nothing. His constituents must be very proud.

That was parody of your prior post, you should know better and be ashamed of yourself for the misrepresentation. But I bet you’re not.

[doorhinge]

@Truman_Burbank

That was parody of your prior post, you should know better and be ashamed of yourself for the misrepresentation. But I bet you’re not.

Potato, potaeto, tomato, tomaeto. You gave it a shot. It failed.

[doorhinge]

@Zakalwe

How do you know that the media is saying Christie is unequivocally guilty? Cite to a news media piece stating this or shut the fuck up.

*Ed Rooney (Jeffrey Jones): That is why I have got to catch him this time- To show these kids the example he sets is a first class ticket to nowhere!
Grace (Edie McClurg): Oh, Ed, you sounded like Dirty Harry just then.

• quote from "Ferris Bueller’s Day Off*

You must be aware that there is, currently, no evidence that Christie was involved in the Great NJ Lane Reassignment. So what has led you to believe that Christie is guilty, or that Christie must be guilty, or that Christie should be guilty? Can you describe the logical progression you used to reach your heartfelt conclusion?

Are you familiar with advertising and product branding? If you want to sell cola, or cars, or beer, it’s important to constantly get your product’s name in front of the potential consumers. Buy COKE, COKE, COKE. Buy FORD, FORD, FORD. Buy BUD, BUD, BUD. And don’t forget to include pictures of the product. It seems to me that the media has been using the same age old advertising technique to sell their product. Their product being that Christie must be guilty. Christie this, Christie that, Christie aide, Christie associate, Christie appointee, Christie, Christie, Christie. Display a picture of Christie and the GW Bridge while discussing Port Authority’s Sampson actual involvement in the attempted cover up.

Unfortunately for the lynch mob media, there isn’t any evidence that Christie was involved, let alone guilty. But that hasn’t stopped people from jumping to conclusions. Has it? The media even chose to give a boost to Carl Lewis’s sagging career simply because Lewis mentioned Christie’s name as the reason Lewis couldn’t find work in New Jersey and moved to Texas.

Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman, D-Mercer, was forced to resign from the George Washington Bridge lane closure investigative committee because she insists, without any actual evidence, that Christie must be guilty. Buh-bye Coleman.

[Johnny_L.A]

@doorhinge

@Zakalwe

How do you know that the media is saying Christie is unequivocally guilty? Cite to a news media piece stating this or shut the fuck up.

*Ed Rooney (Jeffrey Jones): That is why I have got to catch him this time- To show these kids the example he sets is a first class ticket to nowhere!
Grace (Edie McClurg): Oh, Ed, you sounded like Dirty Harry just then.

• quote from "Ferris Bueller’s Day Off*

Um… Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is not a ‘news media piece’.

I may have been misreading when Zakalwe wrote ‘Cite to a news media piece stating [that Christie is unequivocally guilty]’, but the way I read it gave me the impression that Zakalwe was asking that you post a citation from a reputable news outlet that says Christie is unequivocally guilty.