Did I do right? Advice from an older sibling

My brother is 15 years younger than I am. This summer, he turns 16. :eek:

Last year, he visited Europe with our parents and met, among others, some distant relatives of ours in Austria.

This year, that family has invited him back. Alone! What luck! And our parents have said he can go! WOW!

I would never have been allowed, I bet, if the same thing happened when I was 16. But I digress.

I don’t live at home anymore, and I frequently communicate with the family through AOL Instant Messenger. So I decided to bestow a little brotherly advice, since I’m so worldly and all. (And also because he sees me as a teeny bit cooler than the parents.)

Now, bear in mind he’s 16 and going to Europe alone. He’ll be under some sort of supervision while there, but it’s not the same as having the parents there. So what I told him was that he should have as much fun as he possibly can, since the chance to go there rarely comes up (and sans parentals, no less). However, I cautioned, he should not do anything that hurts himself or other people. I told him to consider the risks of everything. I said to him that he may do things that mom and dad might not approve of, but that’s part of growing up. He should not, I said, do something if the parents will find out. He should, however, do that something if it won’t hurt him or others AND he doesn’t run the risk of being found out. I know, that sounds like I’m encouraging him to do bad things, but IMHO parents are usually overprotective, especially if their kid is on a continent different from theirs. After all, there will be things that aren’t terrible for him to do that they’d never let him do, simply by virtue of him being their child and not a “grownup.”

I say that since he’ll be under supervision but will be apart from his parents, he’ll have to learn to use good judgment on his own. To that end, I told him that if he runs into ANY problem whatsoever that our relatives over there cannot help him with (or don’t know about it) but that he cannot tell to the folks back here, he is to contact me. I don’t know what kinda things he could do that would fall into this category, and he might not contact me anyway (he can call or email; they do have email at the house he’ll be at!). But I wanted him to know that if something does happen, he doesn’t have to shamefacedly 'fess up to the parents immediately; if it would be easier, he can contact me, and I’ll deal with the situation then. Dealing with the situation might indeed entail calling the parents, but even if it does, I still act as a buffer. And I think that can be very important when you’re 16. Few kids want to admit their parents exist at 16, and fewer still want to admit they need their parents at 16.

So, have I done wrong? Am I doing him a disservice or a service? Should I not offer to help? Should I tell him to call home no matter what? Again, I am not telling him that he should go over there and act with reckless abandon. I want him to be responsible for his actions. I want him to know that he is there as a guest. I am not telling him to misbehave and then call me, and I’ll sort it out. But we all need help in a pinch, and when you come down to it, he is a 16-year-old in a new world. He might need help, and if he feels more comfortable contacting me instead of his uncool parents, so be it. I want to be there to help.

Thoughts?

  1. Yes, you did the right thing. Children and teens have an amzing ability to transform a mild problem into a catastrophe because they were afraid of getting in trouble.

  2. I don’t know what type of guy your little brother is, but stress to him that he absoulutly must not get anyone pregnant. Anything else can be sorted out, including really nasty things like drug convictions and starting a war. Tell him he simply should not, under any circumstanses, engage in vaginal intercourse while he is there. That 1-in-a-thousand chance is acceptable at home, where a baby would merely be a humoungous freaking problem. Baby overseas is a tragedy for all people involved.

Maybe I am old fashioned, but aren’t there hundreds of things to do and see in a foreign country without getting into some kind of trouble?

Just curious.

One would hope so. But he’s 16, and trouble finds most 16-year-olds; it’s axiomatic. But there’s nothing wrong with being prepared, is there? All I’m saying is that should there be a problem, he can feel safe contacting me if he doesn’t feel comfortable talking to the parents.

Thanks, Manda JO. Hopefully, things won’t get as hairy as that, but I guess you never know. Yes, he knows not to mess around in that regard. :wink: Thanks again.

I don’t think it was a bad letter, but I wouldn’t have written it. Basically you said a) he should do things as long as his parents don’t find out, and b) if he’s in jeopardy of the parents finding out, call you and you’ll run interference. I don’t personally agree with either of those recommendations, i.e. a child doing things they have to hide from your parents is generally bad, and having done such things, facing the music is generally the best course.

Again, this letter isn’t the most aweful thing you can do, but I think you should be encouraging your brother to be responsible. He looks up to you after all.

So, I should tell him not to do anything? If you’re a parent, you must know how ineffective that is, not to mention a major waste of breath.

If you’re a parent, you must also realize that kids at that age are not inclined to listen to their parents. I don’t mean that they do not or should not, but that their first inclination is not to listen to them. Why should I join the chorus of voices telling him not to do something? He’s hearing that enough, I assure you. What I am saying is that since he may be tempted to do things that his parents might not be fond of, then if he has to make a choice between not telling anyone and telling someone other than his parents or guardians, he can tell me, because I do not have the authority his parents or guardians have, but I am older and wiser than his friends. I am not saying he should have a blast with impunity; and after all, if he does do something - or is involved in something - eventually, the parents will find out, either from me or from him directly. I’m a buffer.

But I do think it’s silly to pretend nothing can happen. He’s thousands of miles from home, in a strange and exciting land, so the potential is there. As I said, being prepared for that potential is my main concern.

Sorry. I saw that you posted this in IHMO, and I saw your conclusion of the OP asked for “Thoughts?”, so I just assumed you wanted other people’s opinion. Won’t happen again.

Dan,

I’m a 19-year old who’s been to Europe, both with parental-types and without, with younger sister (17) and without. I think it What you told him was really nice, and if I were your brother, I’d appreciate it a lot.

From a “responsible” point of view, I might quibble with the part about only doing things if the parents won’t find out, but … it all depends on what your parents are like. I’ve learned so much about my parents in the last two years (since leaving to go to college)…

I’d say you did good. Now, any chance your brother can bring along a “friend” ? =)

~Stephen

Not at all, Bill. I appreciate the input. Sorry for my brusque post.

Stephen, it’s all relative, isn’t it? One set of parents may be more lenient and/or forgiving than another. You’re right, it would be a decidedly bad thing for him to just do whatever he wanted as long as the parents didn’t find out. He’s mature enough to know that’s NOT ethically or morally acceptable, though, so I think he’ll be fine. :slight_smile:

He can’t bring along anyone - I don’t think. Too bad, huh?

I would strongly STRONGLY urge him to protect himself against sexually transmitted diseases, and to avoid any drug use… and to keep in mind the laws of the country he is in.

You dont want him getting caned for puffing a joint or peeing on the sidewalk or something.

Some people are prone to take greater sexual risks when they are abroad.

I dont know really waht kind of kid he is or what he does at home, but if he is into rec drugs etc, he could get a nasty suprise that far from home… some stuff he is used to could be stronger over there etc.

I am rambling.

Safe trip to him, g’night.

I know I began this thread in search of validation of my advice. Well, no matter. He’s there now, and we’ll just have to see what happens.

I’m so excited! I’ve been to Ireland, but that was when I was 25. He’s going to Austria! Why, they don’t even speak English there! (Ok, they do, but it’s certainly not a native language!)

He left last night from Philly and landed in Austria today. Got an email a few mins ago.

Aw, they’re so cute at that age. :smiley:

Well, anyway. The saga begins. Into the Brave Old World goes he!

not knowing your brother, or your parents, but being a kid that was sent to Europe when she was 16 without the 'rents, I’d reckon if your parents didn’t trust him to know right from wrong they wouldn’t have let him go. Parent’s generally aren’t as in the dark as we like to think they surely must be.

Yes you did the right thing by letting him know he can turn to you if he needs to, but I’ll also guess that he knows he can do that where ever he is.

My older brothers pulled me aside too before I went to offer some brotherly advice. Though all they said was, “don’t forget to try the beer”.

I see he’s already arrived safely and written you a note. Don’t worry so much mom. :slight_smile: It took me over a week to call my parents and let them know I arrived safely. If anything I suspect your advice will come in more handy when he’s back in the states.

Being the older sibling is interesting, and I feely admit that my baby brother (six+ years younger, who turned 18 last weekend) knows that he can come to me for advice about what he should/shouldn’t tell our parents. He’s a good kid, uncommonly so, but there are still things he’s more comfortable talking about with me than my parents, and I told him as long as it’s not something serious like drug or alcohol abuse or other criminal behavior, I’ll keep his secrets for him.

The best way to give advice to a teenager is to be enough serious, but not too preachy. We’re not there parents after all, so it’s not our place to give them right vs wrong lectures. When my brother was about to leave for the prom, I told him " I hope you have a great time, but I want to you remember one thing: I’m too young to be an aunt." He blushed, and laughed, and said he would be careful if that sort of situation arose. A little humor helps, and we, as siblings not people fully responsible for them, can afford the levity more than our parents can.

Dan,
For what it’s worth, I have a sister who I always knew (and still know) that I could count on when I screwed up bad and couldn’t tell anyone else. She has bailed me out a few major times (and I will owe her forever). She did not encourage me to misbehave (and I don’t think you have, either), but she let me know that kids screw up and she was there to help me and wouldn’t do the parenting, just the helping.

It helped me a lot to know she was there like that, and I imagine that’s how your brother will feel.

Zette

Hey, you did everything you could to advise your brother while giving him an outlet when/if youthful follies happen. As I read it, all you did was reinforce your parents’ wishes but offered him settling problems in a “lower court” if needed.

He’s trying his wings and betcha your folks worried enough. I don’t know how the age gap plays in. He’s a frisky younster–as he should be–and what’s WRONG with sharing the protection? It’s all a safety net, right?

Could be he’d share a problem with you that he wouldn’t with your parents, out of shame/fear/worry. As I see it, your parents reared a fine man willing to BE a protective older brother. Different relationship, different expression but sharing the same goal.

Veb

I gave my niece a Get Out Of Jail card for her high school graduation and 18th birthday present. She can call me once (well more than that but I only gave her one free pass), and I’ll do whatever I can to extract her from the trouble she might be in.

Man, I’ve been involved in some dubious ventures that potentially included jail time because I didn’t have a couple hundred bucks. I want to make sure my niece doesn’t have that problem

I was in Europe on a choir tour for 2 months, 8 countries when I was 17. I learned so much: some of it I hope my parents never learn of. Your parents won’t need to know, either. I didn’t do anything very illegal—a little underage drinking, but I kept myself out of trouble. Austria is beautiful in July and I hope you listen to all his stories when he gets back.

I think you’re a wonderful older brother. You remind me a lot of my older brother, 9 years older. You can get away with that kind of thing, and at this age your brother will probably listen to you more than he’ll listen to your parents for the mere fact that they’re parents! I hope he has a great time, and don’t worry about him too much, he seems like a responsible kid.

Kitty

This really is tremendous. I didn’t experct much of a reply, even after I posted the “update”. Thank you, all.

My suspicion is that the three-week-long trip will involve a lot of fun things, but probably will not afford him a lot of time to actually get into trouble. I don’t mean to say that it’s impossible for him to get into trouble (although he never has been before, to my knowledge), but I think that the family who is hosting him has a lot of things planned. They have kids his age and younger, so they’ll probably move around as a unit, rather than letting them go into town alone.

Regardless, he seems to be doing well. He sent that email while dead on his feet, but still felt an obligation to let us know he was there. That’s way cool.

Let me share with you another quick email he dashed off to me in reply to my reply:

“Wow, it is incredible hard to find the reply button on this. They´re trying to hide it from me. ITS NOT IN ENGLISH. What is up with that? I was able to sleep on the plane for about 2 hours, until the old dude sitting next to me kicked me and told me it was time for breakfast.”

The sense of humor is prevelant. My mom likes to say he got it from her. :slight_smile:

I’ve run interference for my brother a few times, but not for anything serious. (I’m 25, he’s 17.) There are times when it helps a great deal to have somebody besides Mom to go to with stuff, or at least to confer with about how to either keep Mom from hitting the roof when she finds out about some situation, or how to get out the way without getting hurt when she does hit the roof! (This does go both ways; I have asked him for advice before, too, even if he’s the younger one.)

I know better than to boss him around but I’m there to help, and if he got in real trouble, I’d do everything I could to help. Then I’d kill him. :slight_smile: