Did my dad poison a bunch of Sunday school Children?

Way back in the 80’s my families church hosted a bible camp that involved the children learning about biblical times. My dad decided to host a booth to teach about early coinage. To do this he collected a bunch of used lead bullets from a local rifle range, which he melted and molded into small thick discs. These were passed out to the children who pounded them with a hammer until they were coin sized, used other stamps to make designs and then could take home their “coins” as a souvenir. I imagine that many of the children had lead all over their hands and then went on to have cookies a juice.

These days in the era of hyper-vigilance about childhood exposure to lead I’m sure that his activity would not be allowed, and I’ve always been slightly worried about what affect this activity might have had on the children.

I believe lead is one of those lifelong “cumulative” things like mercury. If this is true, he definitely contributed to a lifelong poisoning. But in the grand scheme of things, didn’t contribute all that much probably.

This link may help :smiley:

As the comic says - metallic lead has pretty low bioavailability, even with a bit of working. And it was only for a short time. The real problems were with flaking lead paint, where the lead was a chromate or carbonate - much higher bioavailability. People are rarely poisoned by embedded bullets, for example (but bullets in joints are more problematic).

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I wonder what % of my Mercury tolerance I have used up over the years? Is there a test for that?

Carbon Tet?

Do tire balance worker guys have on avg a shorter life span?

I’m 69 & big, should I get a casket ordered?

Tire balancing weights are lead-free since long ago (ten years?)

Children who played with lead toys in the past such as toy soldiers occasionally showed elevated levels of lead. I doubt playing with a few lead disks made any difference. When I developed kidney problems they looked for elevated levels of metal in my system, and found none. This despite my handling large amounts of lead solder and lead fishing weights. In contrast, I believe I’ve had zinc poisoining once and wished I could die. Some metals work faster than others.

Or lead from gasoline which is also in a very bioavailable form.

I knew a roofer who claimed before unleaded gasoline lead posioning was common for the trade. They would use gas to clean the tar from their hands.

Back in the Dark Ages, Dungeons and Dragons was played with lead miniatures. I am intellectually challenged to this day because of that.

Growing up in the '50s, I remember playing with mercury from broken thermometers, several times. I also inhaled lots of carbon tetrachloride, to kill insects for my collection. And we freely used DDT in our backyard garden. And all paint had lead back then. Not to mention toxic art supplies and classrooms with asbestos ceilings.

The results . . . um . . . speak for themselves.

So, since he was 59…

When I was about 10, I had a big block of lead that I used to melt on the stove in a cast iron pot and mold into whatever I felt like then I would play with it before melting it again over and over. No dain bramage as far as I no. Things just weren’t dangerous back then like they are today. My mother was a science teacher and kids loved it when she did the mercury demonstration where she would let them roll it around and push it around a plate with their fingers.

Please tell the readers that you’re just joking.

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I played with lead all the time as a kid (1990s), due to by electronics hobby, and still do, even though I use lead-free solder I still find lots of discarded electronics that use lead solder; you should see how dirty my hands get; when I wash them (something I was negligent about as a kid), the soap that drips off is dark gray (I wash them twice to be safe) and I have to say that I’m fine today.

Also, besides what others have said about metallic lead, your body actually DOES eliminate heavy metals, or we’d all be advised to NEVER eat fish since even a tiny exposure would accumulate to dangerous levels over time. For lead, elimination is actually pretty fast, especially in an adult (you can see the concern for childhood exposure though, plus growing bones will uptake some of it where it can leach lead out years later, which could be especially bad if you get osteoporosis):

Mother Jones has an interesting article on how the rise of tetraethyl lead (that is, leaded gasoline) lead to a rise in criminality, and its ban lead to the massive decline in crime in the 1990s:

The article is quite long; my snippets are tiny in comparison. By all means read the whole thing instead of just my excerpts if you intend to critique the conclusion. Reading the material it links to is a good idea as well, just to be honest.

Nah. Sounds like we can just hammer you flat and use you to line someone else’s casket.

This GD threadaddressed that topic.

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I was joking but the facts of the case are true. I did used to play with lead as a child along with lots of other things including mercury. It isn’t the safest thing in the world but it generally takes time to get significant exposure to cause health risks. It can happen to kids who like to munch lead paint off of the walls but plenty of people have been exposed lots more lead than the OP alluded to including fishermen with their line weights and everyone that ever got near a road before the 1970’s when unleaded gas became the norm.

That was the end of the Age of Aquarius. We are now living in the Age of Hysteria where decontamination squads get called into schools because someone found an unbroken mercury thermometer like everyone had at home 20 years ago. The short answer to OP is no, your father didn’t poison any children. Casual short-term lead exposure doesn’t cause any health risks and was unavoidable throughout most of the 20th century. Long-term exposure can be really bad but what is described is not the same thing at all.