Did Obama lessen his kids chances in life by having children with a black woman instead of..

What makes you think kids with one black parent get a better deal from society than kids with two black parents? This isn’t Brazil.

It that the case in Brazil?

The problem I have is that history has shown that nothing good lasts for long. The natural state of humans seems to be emotion over logic. Its supposed to be an evolutionary advantage. We might be friendly and tolerant to minorities now but as things in this country get worse, governments around the world get bigger, more corrupt, social intolerance of certain things grows.

If America becomes a police state, the government will try and take advantage of social issues and pass racist laws under the guise of social control. This would be lead to the displacement of 10s of thousands of minorities into ghettos and the seizure of their wealth.

Nazi Germany and Jews;familiar?

I’m a little scared to ask how that relates to the thread topic.

The OP I think is saying that as a potential parent, Barack’s father was smarter than Barack turned out. The elder Obama married a white woman and his offspring became POTUS. If Barack’s children don’t also become world leader’s, then the OP’s premise might have legs.

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A police state? Really? We should chose our spouses based on a fear of America becoming a police state? If that were a real possibility, the race of my wife would be pretty far down on my list of things to worry about.

Yeah, but since Barack married a black woman (and are 75% black), the kids will be Vice-President at best. :wink:

Hey, I had kids with a white woman. You don’t see me in the White House…

I think the OP’s argument goes something like this (my best translation, not my views!):

The average mixed man who self-identifies as black has the option of a white woman or a black woman to produce his children with.

If he chooses the black woman, then the children will be clearly black and will likely be subject to a lot of the indignities and problems that people in the black community face.

However, if he chooses the white woman, his children will be 3/4 white, and very possibly may be considered white, depending on how the genetic chips fall, and this might spare them from the aforementioned membership in the black community.

The issue really is whether or not they’d be considered black- if not, then they suffer little of the prejudice, etc… If so, then it doesn’t really matter who their parents were.

Of course, Obama’s actual family has a huge leg up on just about everyone, with him being President, and Michelle being a successful lawyer, and the connections and fame that those positions bring.

Okay, I guess I can sort of buy that.

Sort of. Brazil’s census categorizes residents by… what shade of brown they are, to put it in simple terms. In some ways Brazilian race relations are even more fucked than the US’.

Godwinnized by the OP in 25 post or less, colour me unsurprised.

Obama is kinda famous, how exactly are his new-and-improved-with-50%-more-white (sounds like toothpaste :p) mixed race kids supposed to pass?

Guess what- the German Jews were fully assimilated and never thought of themselves as anything else but German citizens (unlike the Jews in Poland, for example). Intermarriage was common as well as social equality.

So, even this ridiculous extrapolation doesn’t make sense, because the Jews did very much of what you’re describing and it happened anyway.

What does this have to do with who Obama should have chosen to marry?

Because Obama = Hitler, obviously. Duh.

These %'s of whiteness in people’s analysis are flawed. It is not a linear relation. You are forgetting the premise that one drop of black blood makes you black. It is the all white mother that makes the difference.

Just so we’re clear, ContentWithTomorrow, your premise is the following: if Barack Obama had married someone who was exactly like Michelle except white, his children would have had a higher chance of “success” (defined however one chooses to do so).

No, I am saying that his daughters would be perceived by society as higher class and treated better if they were 75% white as opposed to 75% black.

As the presidents daughter, they have enough wealth and social connections to avoid poverty for themselves and their children, but if they do marry AA men, there’s a high chance that one or both of them will end up divorced, single mother etc. If the children grow up with a turbulent family life along with a social barrier in life, they could feel very pressured to join the ‘ghetto life.’

BTW I’m not a racist. I wish there was no dominant race or culture in America. but one cannot deny the fact that blacks are not perceived very highly in the world, let alone America.

If Chelsea Clinton and her husband divorce, will their child feel pressure to join the “white trash life”?

I’ve heard some dumb shit in my life, but this really takes the cake.

So let me get this straight - are you suggesting that if Malia gets married to a black guy - that she is going to be tempted to what - do crack? Hang out on the street corner playing Cee-Lo & drinking a 40?

Or maybe not her, but her children are? And somehow by marrying a white guy - their chances will be better? Do you think Bill Gates grand kids will be at risk if their kids end up marrying someone black?

You do realize that there is no genetic coding for a ghetto lifestyle?

Both of Obama’s kids are far and above any risk for poverty or some sort of ghetto lifestyle.

You realize that the black men that they are likely to meet are going to be much like the white men they meet? They are attending a very expensive private school and most likely will attend some prestigious colleges. Most of the black men they are likely to meet will be of upper class and upper middle class standing.

I think you seem to think that their choices are between some black guy or white guy picked at random. This is not how it works out.

They aren’t going to marry some guy with a gold tooth.

Statistics about race are generalizations. You can’t take people at the extreme ends of the socio-economic spectrum and assume the same stats apply.

Blacks seem to be “not perceived very highly in the world” mainly by people who claim “I’m not a racist”. While there would be something to that claim 40 years ago - those opinions are changing - look at stats on support of interracial marriage. In 1958 only 4% of people approved - 94% disapproved.

That number is changing every time they do the study - now only 19% of people disapprove. It’s pretty easy to look at the graph of those stats and see where this is heading. By the time Obama’s kids have the chance to I guess from your point of view - help out their chances by marrying some white dude - that number will be ~ 10% and by the time their kids have kids that opinion will be as popular as - well there will always be some crazies.

Things are changing - even 20 years ago - over 40% of people disapproved of interracial marriage - now it’s less than half that.

Most babies born in America aren’t white anymore. This isn’t the same country it was - and the idea that Obama or his kids have fucked themselves by not marrying just to make themselves whiter is - well kinda crazy.

Maybe her husband could marry one of the Obama girls (after waiting so the 1/2 plus seven didn’t make it creepy) to save them or their kids from their inevitable ghetto lifestyle :slight_smile: