We don’t pass bills just to make people feel good. Well, we do, but we shouldn’t.
If any of the family members are elected the the U.S. Senate, then and only then, would they be able to vote on a bill before the U.S. Senate. That’s just the way things work.
Unless those who want more gun control laws actually address the actual concerns of those voting against these bills, the gun banners will fail. If the families of those who died at the hands of the monster in Newtown want to help pass laws that would prevent another Newtown tragedy, they need to tell Reid to introduce bills that would deal with the monster BEFORE he becomes a monster.
“I hate to see using people … as props and politicizing people’s tragedy. When I see the father and the mothers … testifying and I know they are coming voluntarily and they want to come and be part of this debate. It still saddens me just to see them. And I think that in some cases the president has used them as props. That disappoints me.”
This quote isn’t even especially coherent. It starts by admitting the parents were volitional actors, but then has to redefine them as passive objects to try to justify his ‘sadness’.
I think it’s horseshit.
Going to war was unquestionably a response driven by emotion, which is not to say wholly shaped by it. The “facts” were urgently meaningful because of their emotional import: our fear, our anger, so on. That’s why we acted. The part of rationality, ideally, is to shape the how.
That’s a bit of a stretch. Tighter gun control = clean air and water? If you’re pro-2nd then you’re pro-pollution? Who do you think you’re going to convince with THAT argument?
Nope. I’m against politicians wasting time on legislation that isn’t desired. I posted a cite showing what people are concerned about. To paraphrase James Carville: “IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID”.
That would be at the top of the list of public concern as I citedearlier. Gun legislation is at the bottom of the list.
This was a publicity stunt. It isn’t even on the House agenda and they probably knew it would fail in the Senate. It’s a way for the President to take the focus off his failings. He’s spending time and public money on legislation that is going nowhere.
Tell me something that any politician has done recently that does not qualify as a ‘publicity stunt’.
I drew a pretty clear line in the sand. Legislation with no chance of seeing the light of day in the other House is a deliberate waste of time and therefore a publicity stunt.
A big clue that bullshit legislation is about to follow is any statement that starts with: “if it only saves one life”. That is a soundbite with absolutely no basis in reality. When you apply that to legislation that has no chance of passing then it’s part of a publicity stunt designed to get camera time.
It falls under the Won’t someone please think of the children schtick.
The gun control movement doesn’t have shit to do with what is required. Not when two people are killed with automatics in fifty years, one of them by a corrupt cop, and they still pretend that this is a problem that needs addressing.
I am pro-2nd amendment rights just like. Many Pro-2nd are for background checks.
I didn’t claim tighter gun control =clean air and water? or that being pro-2nd means you are pro-pollution.
For the record here is what I wrote:
Where did you get that I wrote if you are pro-2nd then you’re pro-pollution?
Yes, props…however if I remember correctly not all of the families chose to meet with obama, or to take pictures with him or fly around on Air force one with him
They deserve to have our US Senators vote on a bill.
The did. They killed it.
Actually, they did. And then brought the bill to a vote, and it didn’t pass.
Yes, and that’s exactly what they got. The Senate ultimately voted on the proposed gun control bills and did not pass any of them.
No they didn’t.
The Manchin-Toomeyamendment to extend background checks to unregulated private gun sales was killed by a GOP led Filibuster and never brought up to a vote as part of a bill.
The families of victims deserve a vote on a Bill. They did not get it.
The entire bill, which is called Manchin-Toomey, was killed. It didn’t have enough support in the Senate. And the “families of the victims” don’t get any special place in the pantheon of voters-- they get what the rest of us get.
Reid voted no so he can bring it up again.
All this means is the NRA and Gun Manufactures were able to buy 41 Senators t block the legislation from going forward.
Do you have any proof they were “bought off” or are you just spouting off at the mouth?
So, we’re done with bitching about Rand Paul and have moved on to gun control in general?