I’ve never offered a slippery slope argument.
What do you have against people forming groups? Your proposals would destroy them all. Nobody would form a group like CU, or a political party, or a church, in the first place if they had to all go individually to court or otherwise act as single individuals. That would make the group completely pointless.
Americans have the right to join together as groups. You need to deal with that fact.
You don’t understand the issue then.
Corporate personhood is nonsense, for one thing. Nobody has said a corporation is a person. Corporations are, by definition, legal persons, which is not the same thing as a real person. The law does not say they are. They are simply treated similar to a person in certain limited situations. It’s really no big deal. And it is completely irrelevant to the question of whether groups have rights, or Citizens United, which never mentions the issue of corporate personhood.
From this thread:
Not to mention, you said that declaring corporations not to be people “wouldn’t affect Citizens United”… then this:
Which is it?
This is an excerpt from the proposed ammendment:
How would that not affect the Citizens United decision?
Not a slippery slope. Don’t know where you get that.
The part about corporations wouldn’t affect it. It’s the other parts that might. Section 1 is completely irrelevant to CU. It would have absolutely devastating effects on the rights of individuals though.
How are you defining individuals? As natural persons?
Of course. Silly question. Corporations are not people.
I know they are not people. You know they are not people. Yet there are people out there who think they are people. A current presidential candidate is one of them. Question is now what do we do about it?
Nobody thinks corporations are people. Not even Romney actually thinks that. Of course they aren’t.
We don’t need to do anything about it because nobody believes it and it’s not a problem. There are no problems being caused by the corporate personhood concept. Corporations are not abusing anything using that concept or getting away with anything. There’s nothing to worry about.
But corporations are bad! They destroy lives!! They have no soul!! And the courts treat them as people!!!
:eek: Don’t you GET IT, man?!?
Then what individual rights would natural persons be deprived of?
No? I suppose some of the problem is shared with the concept of limited liability.
We’ve already discussed this.
No. This has nothing to do with corporate status or corporate personhood. An individual person could also do this. In fact, it happens all the time. It’s like an Alford plea, or when you can go to driving school instead of being tried for a traffic violation.
You simply don’t understand what corporations are and want to abolish them. You also want to abolish all groups formed by individuals, including political ones.
No, you posted a bunch of slippery slopes about Churches having their things looted and China and North Korea.
Except a corporation cannot be thrown in prison when its crimes vastly exceed “traffic violations”.
Cite?
Not slippery slope at all.
Of course not. They aren’t people. Corporations can’t commit crimes - only people can. See how that works?
If a person working for a corporations commits a crime, he can go to jail though.
If groups have no rights, as you say, then they have no right to exist.
Demonstrate the conditions where the conclusions are always true given the premises.
The standard required in civil suits is lower than the strict liability in personal lawsuits though.
Edit:
Cite?
I don’t think so.
It’s a logical statement. It needs no citation.
If a group has no rights, then the government could abolish that group and it would have no right to challenge it. Simple statement of fact.
Where did I say that groups should have no rights?
Sigh.
Let’s clear it up then. Should groups have rights, or just individuals?
If groups should have rights, what rights? Tell me which ones individuals have that groups shouldn’t, that would be the easiest way.
I think the rights granted in the Constitution include the right to free association (including to form political groups) and the right to freely exercise a religion (including forming a church and worshipping therein). I do not think the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment was intended to apply to for-profit corporations.