JFK was killed by a Castro sympathizer, after repeatedly trying to have Castro assassinated. That’s pretty open and shut.
You want to go after real conspiracies, look for the subtle ones. Why did the Pro-Life movement get going in 1979, instead of 1973? Why is the Tea Party so angry about the deficit now, when they accepted pro-cyclical deficit spending in boom years? Why do politicians & interest groups in the central US manage to find a hot button right-wing issue for the ballot every 2-4 years (gay marriage, immigration, stem cell research…)?
The real conspiracies have names like Chamber of Commerce, Democratic Party, Republican Party, Tea Party, Democratic Leadership Council, Project for a New American Century, Christian Coalition, American Federation of Teachers, & yes, al-Qaeda. You can join one if you like. But if you’re worried about mythical unseen conspiracies, you’re distracted from the real ones in plain sight.
I never said it WAS a missile, I used the term generically, as Cheney supposedly did when he said “When the MISSILE hit I was at…”
AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They didn’t seem to think so, and niether do a growing number of Americans.
The Warren Commission didn’t even look at actual photos of the autopsy, nor did they include testimony from more than half the witnesses. It was only “open and shut” because Hoover ordered it so, that and the main suspect being murdered himself before he could be brought to trial. That was convenient.
The HSA only decided on a conspiracy on last-minute, very flimsy dictabelt evidence, which was later debunked. It was the only “evidence” they found of another shooter. Everything else they did, examined, interviewed pointed to Oswald.
Let me guess. You never actually read it, did you?
They relied on incorrect information. There are some errors in the Warren report (they underestimated the time between the shots if I remember correctly) but on the whole they got it right. Kennedy was shot from behind and to the right, which happens to be match where a former military sniper with a rifle was located.
[Inigo Montoya]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/IM]
I thought so before, until I noticed that the best evidence for their say so fell down in flames awhile ago:
The committee’s best evidence of that “provable a conspiracy” came from a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. Unfortunately later investigations showed that that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza, the sounds alleged to be gunshots occurred about a minute after the assassination.
Yeah, he was shot FROM behind and to the right and that’s why the exit wound is behind and to the right…
Wait a minute…
And Oswald wasn’t exactly a “military sniper” given that he couldn’t hit a cow in the ass with a handfull of rice while he was IN the military.
And why would a military sniper be allowed to defect, marry a Russian woman, and then be allowed back into the states with no questions asked?
And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? Hell, the “History” channel even changed all the variables and STIILL couldn’t pull it off.
Pretty convenient that Oswald was killed before an actual trial wasn’t it? How do you suppose Ruby got into the police dept. basement in the first place? I guess it’s pretty convenient he was hidden away in Dallas and never allowed to speak before dying of “cancer”.
The exit wound is in front/to the side, not in the back.
Unfortunately this is bullshit. He was not a great shot by military standards, but he did have sniper training and was decent at it. Further, people who have experience with guns will tell you the shot he took was not a difficult one.
Because nobody knew he was going to shoot the president?
This could not be more false. Many people have done the work and illustrated that the only place the shots could have come from is Oswald’s location. The bullet did not do anything magical. It passed through Kennedy’s neck and continued downward to hit Connally. The back seats (where the Kennedys were) were higher than the front seats. This eliminates the need for the bullet to do anything unusual.
No, it’s not convenient. All night diners are convenient when it’s late and you’re hungry. You’re using “convenient” to imply something vague and sinister without having to go to the trouble of backing it up. Your knowledge about this is pretty woeful.
He walked. The record of his actions right before the shooting is pretty well established. He even used an ATM a couple of minutes before the killing, which is probably not what you want your super duper secret assassin to do. If he’d been there a few minutes earlier or later he would not have been anywhere near Oswald. How “convenient” is that?
Okay, since somewhere this thread hit JFK assasination:
I just read a book called “The Secret History Of The CIA” by Joseph Trento. In it, Trento advances the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a KGB recruit, and it’s pretty damned interesting.
So what Trento says is that the KGB(follow me here) wanted to assassinate JFK to get rid of Kruschev.
In order to not have the US go to war with them for killing JFK, they deliberately jacketed Lee Harvey Oswald as a Castro sympathizer. Castro did approve of the asassination, and sent along two backup guys. I’m trying to remember if the backup guys were also mafia or not.
(yeah I know that sounds wierd, but the mafia were working the CIA and the Cuban espionage service, taking money from both, and, well-screwing both over when expeditious. After all, it’s just business.;))
Anyway, Trento’s reason behind the coverup of the hit was logical: if the real mastermind of the hit on JFK were known(and Trento asserts the CIA knew it well), then the calls for war with the Soviet Union would have been overwhelming. This was right after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I think they just…didn’t want war with Russia.
To answer original question-we’re getting perilously close to bankrupting the empire. Afghanistan is probably the worst place in the world to fight a ground war, and doing so bankrupted the Soviets.
And there we are. OBL, if he’s alive and not just being synthesized digitally at this point(my programmer spouse says it’s not that hard to do), is probably getting up every day with a giant grin on his face.
We ought to be spending that money on our dilapidated infrastructure, on our crappy school system, and on getting off foreign oil, because that’s going to take a lot of money and a lot of time.
But we’re wasting our money on this crap like a bunch of drunken sailors.:mad:
Ok - let’s try an experiment. Take ten rocks to the top of your roof. Number them, then put them in a bag. Now randomly pull them out and throw them in random directions with random amounts of oomph in your throws. Now go down and draw a one foot diameter circle around each and number the circles.
Now go back up onto the roof and work on throwing them back to the same spots. I bet $100 of my birthday money that you can’t do it again. Which means that you obviously couldn’t have done it the first time.
How did this thread go from a question of whether 9-11 ‘Work’(ed) to the silly 9/11 CT to, of all things, the thoroughly debunked JFK assassination CT bs?? Magic bullet theory? THAT one is still getting dragged out? :rolleyes: The old chestnut about how ‘no one could make the shot’?? Sheesh. This stuff is nearly on par with the idiots who believe the moon landings were faked…
THe JFK conspiricy has not been “thoroughly debunked”. In fact all the evidence points to Oswald NOT being the shooter. Same thing with 9-11. There are so many problems with the official explaination that if it ever actually came to a trial it would causesuch serious problems for the Bush administration LIARS that it might bring down the entire Republican party. Maybe the government as a whole. Ad I don’t even think they planned it or carried it out.
Why do you think neither of these crimes ever saw the inside of a courtroom?
The way we have been duped in both these cases, and the way people like you just blindly accept what you have been told without question proves what a genius George Orwell really was.
There is actually not one scrap of physical evidence that points to anyone except Oswald. Sorry, but there is simply nothing there but your own misunderstandings, your personal incredulity, and the lies of conspiracy theorists.
I dunno, because one of them already did. The other one would have been interesting since it is ironclad that Oslwad also shot a Dallas cop as well as JFK.
Orwell would cry over the level of lies and misinformation you spew.