I just checked Google Earth against a known measurement of 150 feet (airport runway width) and it was within 1 foot accuracy. That’s plus or minus a half of a percent.
In the sense you are using the term reliable, no human testimony is reliable and you would have to discard all the witness testimony including the statements by the police officers.
Here is an interesting discussion of Variations Versus Differences in the testimony on this case.
Too easy.
Regards,
Shodan
What do you have for people who believe other people believe every word of Zimmerman’s story?
I certainly don’t insist that my measurement is precise to the foot. The biggest source of error is I don’t remember which townhome Green lived in. Here is a picture of my measurement.
I doubt that the maximum error would change Martin walking time by more than 10 seconds. The biggest source of error is that we don’t know how fast Martin would be walking.
A brisk walk would be about 60 seconds and a jog would be half that.
Congratulations, you’ve just established that even on a surface with zero relief, measuring a very short distance in one direction, a geodesic measurement is still off by half a percent at a very large scale.
How about we make a bet as to whether or not Zim is found guilty? The loser has to make his sig on all his posts for 1 year be the choice of the winner.
Do you have the guts? I certainly do. This motherfucker is guilty, and I’d be willing to bet on it.
It is irrelevant that discussion is talking about the guilt of Zimmerman and thus giving him the benefit of the doubt. I to not agree nor concede that their assumptions are valid.
They also get several items wrong in that post one of which is that Zimmerman’s flashlight was working, it was still on when it was collected as evidence.
In this thread we are talking about the guilt of Trayvon and you need to give him the benefit of the doubt when judging his actions.
You would expect differences in his statement, you would not expect him to LIE to change material elements of the event. Zimmerman’s account also doesn’t fit with the timeline nor do his injuries fit with his statements despite what your linked explanation says.
It is quite clear that Zimmerman will lie to protect himself, if we go by Deedee’s statements Zimmerman was chasing him.
Hahaha. And your being willing to bet on this means what exactly? That you have some inside information pertaining to the prosecutions case? That your “feelings” are strong? Anyone can claim, “These ARE the droids you are looking for” but the court requires actual proof.
FYI - Using the Ruler feature on GoogleEarth, the shorter residents are approx 118 feet long and the longer buildings are approx 138 feet long. Martin’s father lived in the 3rd building on the right side of the cut thru. The closest corner of that building is approx 326 feet from where the sidewalks meet at the “T”. Add approx 59 feet to reach the middle of the “short” building and we’re talking about 385 feet.
I doubt that Martin was afraid of Zimmerman. Martin approached Zimmerman, talked to Zimmerman, and beat Zimmerman.
YOU would not expect Martin to LIE. I’m not so generous. You can, of course, assume anything you want to. What you can’t seem to do is provide a convincing argument for YOUR version of what happened that night.
Martin had a right to stand his ground, just like every other person in FLA. Was Martin standing his ground or instigating a fight?
Once again, all of this is based on Zimmerman’s claims which may not be trustworthy, it is quite clear in Deedee’s statement that Martin only approached Zimmerman because he was getting close.
As to if Martin would lie, we have no idea nor does it matter what I think he would do, we do not have a statement of his to examine.
If you confront someone and the first thing they do is go for something in their pocket it would be best to assume they are going for a weapon though, that would have justified him protecting himself in the context of he events that lead up to that event. Or are you claiming asking someone “Why are you following me” is starting a fight?
It’s quite clear that Martin approached Zimmerman creating the 2nd confrontation.
Neither man did anything illegal up to the time they were talking to each other. Why did Martin begin punching Zimmerman? Did the GF suggest that Martin’s life was in “imminent” danger? Did she suggest that Zimmerman had actually theatened to harm Martin? Was Martin looking for a fight? Did Martin intend to teach Zimmerman a lesson?
Zimmerman claims he was reaching in his pocket for his cell phone, that type of action is justification for a police officer to fire in self defense, why would it not be justification for Martin to use force?
That action is the threat and would make someone who had confronted a person who had just been following them for a significant amount of time.
Martin wasn’t a uniformed police officer but I understand your point. If Martin felt threatened he could have responded with force. Did Martin still feel he was being threatened by someone with a broken nose who was lying on his back and on the ground?
According to FLA law, “lethal force” is only justified if someone feels they are in immenent danger of losing their life. “Force” can be used to defend yourself from muggers, robbers, aggressive drunks, molestors, etc.
Martin may have felt that he was in danger and defended himself by punching Zimmerman. But danger of what, exactly? Being “talked” to? Being manhandled? Did Zimmerman grab or hold him in an effort to detain him for the police? There has to have been some reason that Martin stuck Zimmerman.
Regarding the whole “he reached for his cellphone…not his gun” story line, what stands out is how he supposedly wanted to call the cops right at the start of the fight. But what does he supposedly tell the witness who runs off to call the cops * during* the fight? He tells him to not do that because they’re already on the way since he called them earlier. Talking out of both sides of his mouth, is what this is called.
Zimmerman has a way of lying so badly in certain parts of his story that he essentially allows us to see the truth. The cellphone is one of those lies. That he even mentioned that he tried to reach for his phone and not his gun, tell us that he did reach for his gun, because who said anything about any guns? It’s like a kid blurting out of nowhere that they didn’t break the vase, when no one was talking about any vases.
The prosecution doesn’t have to prove that Zimmerman brandished his weapon. All the jury has to do is hear Z talk about his actions that night, and they’ll connect the dots themselves. Unless they are bridge-buyers.
Is this thread about the guilt of Zimmerman?
If after being followed for a significant amount of time, you asked you pursuer why and they responded to that question by reaching into their pockets for something are you really saying you wouldn’t be concerned?
If he thought Zimmerman had a weapon he would be using force against what he may have believed to be aggravated assault which is one of the enumerated forcible felonies under SYG.
Zimmerman injuries are not consistent with Martin using deadly force, outside of the testimony of a known unreliable witness who is quite willing to lie we have no reason to believe that Martin intended to kill Zimmerman.
The question of if Zimmerman felt that his life was in danger is immaterial as to the question of if Travyon had a right to use force.
There isn’t any witness to whom Zimmerman made any statement during the fight.
Regards,
Shodan
Yes there was, according to Z. A neighbor came out and Z supposedly told him “help me, help me” and the guy said he was gonna call 911, and Z said, “no, don’t do that. I need you to help me”. All while supposedly getting his head slammed by Martin.
This witness would be “John” by the way.
The jury will also have to reconcile the location of Martin’s body with Z’s statement. The discrepancy is not merely evidence that Z lacks credibility. It’s evidence that he pursued Martin.
According to estimates i’ve come across elsewhere, the distance between the T where Zimmerman said he was punched and the location of M’s body is close to 50 feet. Are we really supposed to believe that Martin’s punch sent Zimmerman flying 50 feet down south?
Again, the prosecution doesn’t have to prove that Zimmerman chased Martin down and shot him. But the prosecution will point out where Martin’s body was found in relation to where Zimmerman supposedly encountered him. An honest juror will notice that something isnt adding up here.