I’m not speaking for the Internet gallery.
I’m not suggesting that Martin was trying to “smother” Zimmerman. Zimmerman said that Martin was trying to prevent Zimmerman from crying out to his neighbors for help.
Did the Internet gallery suggest that Zimmerman’s hands and arms were pinned down or that Zimmerman was pinned down? I believe you can “pin” someone to the ground by repeatedly punching them in the head and repeatedly banging their head on a concrete sidewalk.
The meme was that Martin pinned down Z’s arms with his legs, preventing him from using them to protect himself until the very end.
But again, Zimmerman never says this happen. If I’m not mistaken, in some interviews he said he used his arms to fend off blows. But if that was the case, he should have had some bruising on his hands and arms. He didn’t. And Martin had no defensive wounds.
If Martin was beating Z so savagely that he even couldn’t defend himself with his arms, how in the hell was he able to have a coherent conversation with “John”? How would he even have been cognizant enough to even know John was there, while he was on the verge of losing consciousness?
And we’re really supposed to believe that Martin would have not been startled by John’s sudden presence and lightened up his attack a little? It’s really quite peculiar how all these improbabilities came together on the night that Zimmerman shot Martin.
At 12:15 in the walkthrough, Zimmerman says during the fight that the following exchange occurred:
Um…you are the side that needs to prove he was trying to kill Zimmerman.
The wounds are there but in NO way are they the type of wounds you would have if the fight had gone as he claims.
A simple closed fracture of the nose and a couple of lacerations on the back of the head do not fit with repeatedly having someone slam your head into concrete.
You can back up with forensic evidence?
Whichever he’s actually tried for.
It would have to be pretty incompetent head-slamming.
Also, I’m unclear what Trayvon would supposedly have been gripping. Zimmerman’s hair isn’t long enough to grab, not even close. Gripping someone’s forehead is not the most effective way to do this, since the forehead doesn’t really have a good place to grab.
It’ll be interesting to see how many people buy Zimmerman’s version of events with it’s far-fetched tales(after Zimmerman shoots Martin, Martin saying “you got me”) that sound like something out of a bad movie.
Yeah, only other gun nuts would be blinded by their Zimmerman-love to NOT see how utterly improbable that is.
I’m starting to think the guy really is kind of dim. DIMmerman.
Seriously, I question his intelligence. I’m guessing 85 IQ, and fairly serious impulse control problems.
And why, exactly, would Zimmerman bother to make up such a thing? What impact does what Trayvon Martin said while dying have on anything?
For someone with impulse control problems, Zimmerman sure took a long time to shoot the person attacking him. By the way, I would say that Trayvon Martin’s impulse control problems were a little more serious.
Because he’s too stupid to come up with a more plausible story? And thought it sounded cool to say?
Zimmerman had resisted arrest and been cited for domestic violence.
He also followed an unarmed teenager at night through a subdivision, fought with the kid, and shot him dead.
If you think those things show good impulse control, I would like to offer you a low, low price on the package deal of several bridges, plus some oceanfront property.
The “straight dope” on the Zimmerman/Trayvon encounter is that it is a fairly easily proven case of self-defense that has been distorted by race politics and the media. The murder 2 charge against him is so silly, and there is no one -among the reasonable and well-informed- that believes he will ever be convicted of it.
The people that decided Zimmerman is guilty will always think that way- and they will always find some way to demonize him. They are driven by emotional considerations and so reasoning with them is pointless.
It really makes no difference what Trayvon Martin said before he died. Zimmerman did not resist arrest, nor was he cited for domestic violence. He pushed an plain-clothes officer who he thought was attacking his friend- and there was a mutual restraining order filed with him and an ex-girlfriend.
It doesn’t really matter whether he has impulse control problems anyway. There is no credible evidence that he did anything illegal that night, impulsive or otherwise.
These are just red herrings.
Even the most diehard Dimmerman fans here recognize that he displays terrible judgement, at the very least. Do you agree?
He has already lied in court about his finances, to a judge. This isn’t remotely bright. How much dumber would he have to act before you’d agree his credibility is broke as heck?
This is quite different from the claim that you with the face made about what Zimmerman said. Far from being a contradiction, it is backed up by the known facts. Zimmerman knew the police were on the way - he called them. This is backed up by the phone records. In the reenactment, when a witness allegedly says he is going to call 911, Zimmerman says “No, help me!” This is not a contradiction of anything, it makes perfect sense. Zimmerman knew the police were already on their way, so his preference is that the witness help him get Martin off of him. you with the face’s characterization of this as “talking out of both sides of his mouth” is completely false.
The title of the bad movie might be something like “No Limit Nigga”.
Regards,
Shodan
So at the start of the fight, when Martin supposedly stepped up to him aggressively, why would Zimmerman reach for his phone to call the cops? Did he think Martin would just stand there politely while Zimmerman chatted it with the dispatcher?
The most logical and instinctual reaction would be to either run away or prepare to defend oneself. Not lower one’s head to get a phone that is of utmost uselessness in a situation like that.
It’ll be interesting when John" testifies about where he saw the fight occur. Who wants to take bets on whether John says the fight occured on the grass or on the pavement?
Shodan, years from now you better believe folks will be still be still talking about this case, regardless of what the verdict is. Do you really want to go down defending someone who most likely will rival Jeffery Dahmer and OJ Simpson in terms of criminal notoriety? I guess you do. Bless your heart.
This actually makes sense. I agree with this. I think you’re going to deeply, DEEPLY regret having backed Dimmerman, and I will say “I told you so” with evil glee when he is convicted. However, I agree with what you’re saying.
No he didn’t. George Zimmerman never say anything about his finances. But you would have no way of knowing that.
Why is it far-fetched? People are often influenced by movies. I’m not suggesting that Martin was a actual gangster but maybe that’s where Martin learned to act and talk like a gangster?
Were you expecting him quote Shakespeare?
Congratulations. You apparently didn’t notice that Zimmerman had TWO flashlights. He tried to use the first one and couldn’t get it to work and pulled out his keychain flashlight and used it.