Basking in bigotry *requires *lack of thought and understanding.
Obama denounced individual acts of terrorism constantly. Maybe he didn’t condemn them in the way some people preferred coughislamic terrorismcough but you always knew which side he was against and he never, ever, did what Trump just did, which equated Nazis and victims.
I have no idea what “group” you are talking about. To be fair, I’m pretty sure you don’t either.
“This time” really is either/or. That’s the entire definition of this time.
No, it’s not. That might be your definition, but that’s not the way I use it.
But if you insist on using it that way, then I’ll just simply say that this time is not “this time”. People will condemn it, but will continue to support him.
Bobot wrote: “Why people have a tough time understanding this is baffling.”
Not to me. They actually DO understand it, at least their “leadership” does. Use of the term constitutes the sort of unproductive chest-thumping that appeals to their red-meat base but actually accomplishes nothing concrete and even has negative counter effects.
Among the documents seized in the raid that killed Bin Laden was a one stating how much harder a time Al Quida had attracting recruits since Obama became president.
No, I don’t know which group I mean. Perhaps because I don’t know for sure which group(s) this attacker is officially linked to. Im assuming if he is linked to a group it is one of the few usual suspects. It’s something I expect POTUS to have better info on than I do.
Saying Trump equated Nazi’s with victims shows your partisanship here. The victims here are the 2 score or so injured or killed. The victims are not Antifa as a whole. I think we are seeing a collective wallowing in mass victimhood here.
No, white supremacists are his base. He will stay at his current floor in approval, but go no lower. If he condemned white nationalists, he’d lose his base, but not gain any support among the rest of America.
Yeah, there’s no way of knowing if he is a rabid Trump supporter. Unless you can trust his mother.
And that’s likely what Steve Bannon is telling him.
Trump’s actual words were “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.” That cannot possibly be parsed as denouncing solely neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
The victims were peacefully protesting. Using the term “Antifa” is more partisan than anything I could have come up with. Equating all protesters with the tiny, secretive, violent group is ironically similar to wanting Obama to use the term Islamic terrorism so as to slander an entire widespread set of individuals. Funny how that works.
You are interpreting his mother’s vague statement that she thought her son went to a rally that “had something to do with Trump” as “he was a rabid Trump supporter”?
Talk about a stretch.
I said nothing about who he supported. I specifically said groups he was linked to. By linked to I mean groups he joined, or was in contact with. You are deliberately trying to re-interpret what I posted. You are not posting in anything like good faith. At no point in this convo did I attempt to link Antifa violence with support for Obama, Bernie or Hillary. However, I will be tempted to do so in future. It’s now an acceptable tactic.
If “this time” doesn’t mean “that’s it, I can’t do this any longer, I’m cutting off support” what meaning can it have? I’m serious. I literally can’t imagine how you are using it otherwise. It can’t possibly mean, “I disagree with/dislike/shake my head at” because everybody does that all the time with politicians/parties/wings. It has to mean a final parting of the ways or else nobody would need the term.
So then those other Republicans who are already mentioned who said the same thing are liberals? Nice to know.
If anything, I’d say this post does. You see actual victims, and you’re still going on about “mass victimhood.” A Nazi terrorist killed people and you’re blaming the other side for victimhood.
And I will point out that hatred for Trump is bipartisan. It’s not political at all.
Im pretty sure all the victims that day were not Antifa or peaceful leftist protestors. Im pretty certain that numerous Nazis/white supremacists and indeed innocent bystanders went home in less than tip top condition. Pretty confident some went home in worse condition than a number of those caught up in the car attack.
The guy goes to a White Nationalist rally, in support of their agenda. I’d say that definitely counts as ‘contact’. You seem to be suggesting that one ‘supports’ a ‘cause’ or group only by being a card-carrying member. You are not posting in good faith.
And ‘antifa’ has been co-opted by the American fascist movement. It originally meant ‘anti-fascist’.
Here you go op, right here: proof of concept. This poster doesn’t see a whit of difference between this latest act of incomprehensible incompetence and irresponsibility by Trump, and still actively defends him.
The bulk of the rest of Trumps declining supporters will do the same.
This is the case, because TRUMP HAS NOT CHANGED. He has ALWAYS been this person, always been callous, always been dismissive of the pain that others go through, and always been oblivious to his own prejudices and hatreds of most Americans. This actually serves to INCREASE the support of the people who elected him.
This is stupid. Who you support is part of how you determine what group someone is in. Throw in stated racist beliefs, and it is very clear he is a Nazi.
Throw in that he came to a Nazi protest and he deliberately attacked the counter protesters, and it’s a slam dunk.
You’re doing weaseling about the situation. You’re trying to defend the guy who courted Nazis.
Also, Antifa are a boogeyman. They are mostly just anti-Nazi protesters. I wouldn’t care if you connected them with anyone, because they aren’t all evil, unlike what the right wing news would have you believe. Nazis are all evil.
Yes, the other side can be guilty of wallowing in mass victimhood. It’s quite obvious that a community under attack can and does wallow in victimhood. Those recent terrorist attacks from Islamists in the UK; you don’t think some EDL types were wallowing in that? Or when Steve Scalise was attacked by a Bernie Bro DEMOCRAT; you don’t think it in the slightest bit possible that various Right leaning internet forums were wallowing in that stuff? Nah, that’s totally impossible. It would never happen.
Yeah, Trump supporters are the absolute dregs of society, he can’t gain the support of decent people at this point, so he’s stuck. The question is, Dothe Republicans finally jump off and what does this mean for possible impeachment and removal?
Ronald Reagan was known as “the Teflon President” because nothing ever stuck to him. Trump seems to have acquired a liberal coating of the stuff.