Did you ever learn to drive a column-shifted manual transmission (3-on-the-tree)?

I’ve participated in several discussions on here over the last several years about driving a vehicle with a manual transmission (aka, standard shift, stick shift, 4/5-speed…). Until last November, I had never owned a car with an automatic transmission in my 24 years of driving. I still have my 2006 Mazda3 5-speed manual but I also have a 2012 Mazda CX-9 (Large Crossover/SUV) which is my first automatic (a 6-speed auto with SportShift, to be exact).

Over the last five years or so, every time someone rides in my Mazda3 for the first time they comment (in amazement and/or confusion) that they didn’t know anyone still drove a stick/5-speed/manual/or whatever. I’m 39 and, other than my childhood best friend, I don’t know anyone my age or younger who even knows how to drive a manual. Considering that only 2-4% of cars sold annually have a manual transmission (there are no definitive statistics for manual-shift cars sold in the U.S. for all automakers, so 2-4% is largely an estimate), it’s not surprising that most drivers under 30 have no clue what that third pedal or wobby joystick-like device between the seats does!

I suppose I was lucky that my mom was a school bus driver and, for many years, her bus was a 4-speed manual. My sister fell in love with a red '85 Honda CRX for sale on the other side of out tiny town (less than 0.5mi from city limit to city limit) and, like most CRXs, it was a 5-speed manual. My pop (grandpa) told her he’d buy it for her if she could figure out how to drive it…after shaving 20-30k miles off the life of the clutch and demonstating that Honda’s 5-speed manual was durable enough to use in a semi-truck (“grind 'em 'til you find 'em” doesn’t begin to describe what that girl did to those gears, which were obviously indestructible). She stalled at least a dozen times in the first 100ft…but two days later, she was a pro.

Pop bought her the car, but mom said she had to use it to take her driver’s test to get her license…she had a few glitches and almost failed on the first try, but she nailed the parallel parking test (that everyone failed) which barely let her pass the test.

A couple of years later, I had to learn how to drive in that CRX and ultimately drive it for my licensing test. My mom (only 19 years older then me) was very relaxed in most areas of parenting, but she was Hitler as driving instructor! The first time I had to stop at an intersection that also was a very steep incline, she popped my hand when I attempted to use the handbrake to avoid rolling back. Eventually, I had to sit at that intersection and wait for someone to stop (inches) behind me, then start off (using only clutch, foot brake and gas pedal) without rolling back into them!

I also learned a few other ‘super secret’ skills- for instance, I can adjust my mirrors to eliminate any blind spots. I was amazed to learn that your mirrors aren’t correctly adjusted if you can see the rear fender or any other part of your own car! She laughs at the Blind Spot Monitoring System on my new CX-9, but I just use it as a fail-safe/backup to my mirrors.

Anyway…even among the rather small minority of us drivers who can drive a vehicle with a manual transmission, I have never driven a column-mounted manual shift (most commonly a 3-speed manual and largely phased out in by the mid-to-late 70s, maybe a few years later in pickups). There isn’t a shift diagram like you find on the shift knob of a floor-mounted manual shifter. As with any manual, once you drive it a few minutes you’ll never even look at the shift diagram again…until you drive a 6-speed for the first time and need to figure out where they hell REVERSE has gone! But left to my own devices, if handed the keys to a 3-speed manual on the column, it would take me quite a bit of trial and error to figure out where each gear is located…and I’d probably end up making a 2nd to R shift and leave the tranny laying on the ground at some point unless they had a some sort of primitive lockout for that.

The slang term for a 3-speed column shift was “Three on the tree” and a 4-speed floor-mounted shifter was “Four on the Floor”…then they went and made five and six-speed manuals for which there was no clever rhyming nickname. How many of my fellow Dopers can drive 3-on-da-tree? And how many under 40 can do so?

Thankfully, it’s essentially a theoretical question as manual transmissions are (sadly) headed for extinction. And the ones that remain until that sad day have at least five speeds. On the upside, the bench seat also became a part of automotive history when the 2013 Chevy Impala ended production. That was one of the main (if not THE main/only) reason for a column-mounted shifter.

Three-speed manuals were usually paired to weaker engines (such as the Ford Thriftpower 200-cubic-inch Inline-6, which was rated at only 75hp in the '75 Ford Granada weighing 3400+ lbs)! Ford’s ‘optimistic’ estimated 0-60mph time for the '75 Granada with the 200/3-speed manual was 24.8 seconds. I use the world ‘optimistic’ because no one has ever managed to the 6-0 mark in a '75 Granada so-equipped! =) I’m just kidding, I think top speed was 61mph. Seriously, Ford’s quoted 24.8 seconds was actually several seconds quicker (if that word can even be used in this context) and the actual 0-60 was closer to 30 seconds. As a point of reference for non-gearheads, a 1975 Honda Civic with a 71-cubic-inch Inline-4 and 4-speed manual could hit 60mph i 14.2 seconds. My 2006 Mazda3 with 2.3L/138-cubic-inch I-4 and 5-speed manual does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds (or 1/4 of the time it took the '75 Granada). Any Snapper Riding Mover (or push-mower probably) and the Barbie Dream Car could outrun it…but I’m veering of topic again…I have a habit of doing that and I’m sure I’ll do it again…

The 70s were truly the Dark Ages for automotive performance. Carmakers were hit with a double-whammy of trying to improve fuel economy while simultaneously reducing emissions exponentially (transmissions geared to use less fuel by reducing engine rpm and a new device called a catalytic converter to cut emissions by 90% for the 1975 model year per gov’t regulations, despite strangling the engine’s ability to breathe and cutting power by more than half in some massive V8s. Prime Example- in 1976, the Cadillac 8.2L (500-cubic-inch) Big Block V8s final year of production, it was rated at 190hp.)

Quick sidebar- one small car company in Japan decided to figure out their own way to meet emissions guidelines without the compromises caused by the catalytic converter- and that is how Honda’s CVCC (Compound Vortex Controlled Combustion) came to be and made automotive history. CVCC engines were significantly more powerful than engines of like-size that used a catalytic converter. They also could meet the emissions requirements using Leaded or Unleaded Fuel, pretty amazing in the early 70s!

Veering back to my original topic (hope you’ve enjoyed the auto history lesson and if you haven’t, I really don’t care)-

Who can drive a manual on the column? Also, was there ever more than 3-speeds on a column shifter?

Drove a Nova once with 4 on the tree. Wasn’t any different than a floor shifter.

My first car had three on the tree, was great as I could enjoy my girl sliding across on the bench seat without a console in the way!

I learned how to drive a column shift. My dad had a Chevy 1/4 ton pickup with a three speed column shifter and he let me borrow it. I already knew how to drive a standard car, so it was easy to get used to.

Hey, man, speak for yourself – manual transmissions are alive, well and healthy in Europe. Here, they outsell automatic transmissions by a wide margin (automatic transmissions are at a premium here). Also, if you take your driving exam in a car with an automatic transmission, your license is valid ONLY for automatic cars – given that this would limit you a LOT, people make the effort to learn to drive with manual transmissions.

raises hand To the first question, I can. To the second, yes; there were European and Japanese models with 4-speed column shifters.

I had a '53 Pontiac three-speed, shifter on the column, and a four-speed shifter-on-the-column, black 1956 Austin Westminster with four on the column. A gravel truck ran a stop sign and peeled off the right side. (Canada, so left-hand drive, not right as in those pix.)

First was where second is in a column three-speed, second where third is, third where reverse is and fourth where first is. From neutral, reverse was toward the dash and down.

I had a drag race (ha ha) with another one from a stop light. The other guy hit reverse instead of second, so I won. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Yes, my father taught me how to drive in his 1956 Plymouth with a standard transmission. At that time (1958) four speed gearboxes were pretty rare and limited to those teensy European sports cars. In fact, I can’t recall how old I was when I bought my first car with a slushbox. Let’s see; a 1960 Ford Fairlane, four Super Beetles, a couple of Datsun/Nissans, and I think the first automatic transmission was on a 1984 Nissan Maxima. I kept expecting Steve McQueen or James Garner to show up and demand I hand over my Guy Card.

If JoseB hadn’t already said it, I was set to confirm the “more than 3 speeds” answer - my Dad had a secondhand Humber Hawk back in the early 70s and it had a four-speed column-shifter (plus overdrive, if you please). I was too young to drive at the time but I understood perfectly well how the shifter worked and, technically, did once move it a few inches in reverse and then in first, thankfully without harm.

I drove 3-on-the-tree when I was a teen - don’t recall what kind of car it was, but I think it was blue. :wink:

And up until a few months ago, we’ve always had at least one vehicle in the household that was manual transmission - ranging from an Escort station wagon to a 'Vette 6-speed. We made sure our daughter could drive a stick, and her first car was a 5-speed Beetle.

Sometimes I miss shifting, but I drive infrequently these days, so it’s not that big a deal…

No.

So there were 4-speed manuals on the column…but still no little diagram to show the shift pattern???

For years, the VW Beetle showd the a 1-2-3-4 arranged in the typical H-pattern. But they didn’t bother to share the location of Reverse and the ‘trick’ to engage Reverse even if you knew where it was! I’m not sure about earlier models, but the '73 VW my dad had, you had to put it in Neutral, press downward on the entire gearshift and then move it upward and to the Left (while maintaining downward pressure)…it was a pain even if you knew how to do it!

And I never understood why BMW put Reverse up beside 1st, so R, 1, 3, 5 were on the top anc only 2 and 4 were on the bottom…the Japanese did it properly, R fits nicely under 5th! Then again, I didn’t realize how spoiled I was by driving only Hondas and Acuras for years until I spent a few weeks driving my aunt’s Saab 9-5 with the most godawful 5-speed manual this side of a Chevy Cavalier (probably was the unit used in the Cavalier, knowing GM)! Even my 2006 Mazda3’s 5-speed can be temperamental compared to a Honda gearbox. And the synchros on the Mazda are very fragile, which I discovered the hard way…I didn’t realize that a manual gearbox could be so ‘dainty’ but I had to replace mine at 78k miles because the synchro on 3rd was shot and it had a bent shift fork so it eventully wouldn’t stay in 3rd at all. It popped out as I released the clutch. I tried living without 3rd for over six months, but it turns out that 3rd is pretty important, especially paired with a larger (2.3L) 4-cylinder that actually has midrange power…you need 3rd to hit that midrange at highway speeds!

I found one from a salvage vehicle two years newer with only 12k miles on it for $400-…filled it up with synthetic gear oil (Royal Purple, the good shit) and it’s better than new!

Sorry, that blanket statment is only applicable to us Yanks! Across the pond, manuals are plentiful as are diesel engines, which haven’t been offered in the U.S. for decades except in piickup trucks, a handful of various SUVs and various M-B models…but no mainstream cars have had diesel engines until now! Mazda is introducing a diesel in a few models later this year and several other brands have a diesel or two in the pipeline.

It’s amazing how things change when gas (petrol) prices skyrocketed a few years back…10 years ago, I had never paid over $1.49/gallon for fuel…now I’m happy as long as it’s under $4/gallon!

But I doubt that the manual transmission will ever make a comeback here. Now that most automatics achieve equal or even slightly better mileage than their manual counterparts,…plus we’re fat and lazy!

Our friends to the North (Oh Canada!) still buy manual tranmisssions, though. They’re much more common there than here in the States.

I didn’t realize that some countries only license you to drive an automatic if you take your driving test in an automatic!? It’s perectly logical, before you get out on the road in manual you should prove that you actually know how to operate it…is that an EU thing or only in specific countries?

There you go, courtesy of wikipedia :slight_smile:

I think that the “fiddling” in order to engage reverse, and putting the reverse way out of the way from the other gears was something done in order to make sure that you will engage reverse ONLY when you really want to engage reverse.

I learned to drive in a 1970 Ford pickup. I was 21. It was a standard transmission, and I honestly don’t remember if it was on the floor or on the column. I’m thinking the latter. My first husband and I had a 60-mile motor paper route in Arlington, TX, and I gotta say, it was a fast course in learning to drive that thing. All the backing up, pulling into people’s driveways to turn around, showing down in neighborhoods, speeding up on the highway…I got the hang of it pretty fast. Except for crossing wide, busy streets. For those, he had to slide into the driver’s seat and get us across, then I’d take over again. I’ve never forgotten how to drive a standard, and have owned a couple.

Learning to drive a manual requires a lot more attention and focus intiially and it’s almost impossible to text, steer and shift at the same time (for a newbie)! My state (Georgia) has only banned texting, talking on a cell phone (in your hand) while driving is still perfectly legal! I see idiots doing it every day and watch as they veer over the into the lanes on either side of them…sometimes I wish they’d go off the shoulder and take a ride thru the forest, Can you hear me now?:dubious::smack:

As far as I know it is EU-wide. If somebody more knowledgeable than myself has better information, it will be welcome!

I only personally know one person who got her driver’s license for automatic cars – she learned to drive after having had to have her left leg amputated, so manual transmission was out.

Yep.

And as for manual transmissions, I just bought one, a 2013 Yaris. The salesman was thoroughly surprised, but it was the one must-have item for this purchase.

It also worked exceptionally well to prevent drunk driving if you were drunk and parked somewhere you had to back out of! Then again, one drunk dude could push a VW Bug out of a parking spot…

I suppose you’re probably right about it being a measure to prevent engaging Reverse unintentionally. That was before more modern devices that won’t let you shift from 5th into Reverse, for example. In the VW, I image that engaging Reverse while moving forward would grenade the transmission instantly…as it would on any car, come to think of it!

I’ve encountered more than a few salesmen who can’t drive a manual!!! If you plan to sell one or more models that offer a manual, being able to drive it should be a prerequisite for the job, or at least I would think so.

Then again, a lot of car salesman fall somewhere between an amoeba and dryer lint on the IQ scale, so hiring expectations are lowered commensurately…

I made the mistake of trying to drive from London out to Bath and Stonehenge on my first visig to the UK in 2003. But the rental car was a horrid little Peugeot from hell and it was a manual. As if driving on the wrong side of the car on the wrong side of the road wasn’t difficullt enoguh, trying to shift my left hand made it almost impossible.

I’ve also learned that’s it not very wise to drive in a country where you can’t read the language (such as roadsigns)…thankfully, the Swedes are a kind and forgiving people…