If the stamp only tells you when the video was uploaded, my objections are answered. The timestamp thing is weird because there doesn’t appear to be that much of a gap in the video. If it’s as you say, that just means it was uploaded in parts and perhaps edited a bit. Drugging is probably more humane than these guys are capable of being.
I’ve seen two different versions, and it’s apparent that not every link going around the net gives you the same sound quality. On a clearer one, even with the men yelling you can hear that he screams horribly. If the audio is of poorer quality, there’s a lot of distortion and you can’t really tell who’s doing what.
I have a kid. How would I like it if people all over the world were watching a video of my child’s murder, if I were in the Berg’s situation? It’s bad enough we use murder for entertainment in movies and TV shows. But to watch a REAL one is completely unnecessary if you are Joe Q. Public.
Stuff like that gets into your soul. This world is will do enough damage to your soul just by living everyday life, why intentionally put poison into it?
Oh, one other thing for the people that have seen it. The guy doing the killing is supposedly al-Zarqawi, who happens to have a prosthetic leg. Does that seem to be the case in the video? I specifically heard that the guy holds Berg down with a knee in the back, which I imagine might be tricky.
**Abs, ** While I respect your position, I completely disagree with it. I was very sincere when I mentioned I had viewed it for analytical reasons as opposed to watching some snuff (Faces of Death has much better quality footage). While watching it I put my own son’s face on the victim–and I became physically ill for the first time in my life due to a violent image. You don’t need for me to explain why–I’m sure you understand that to do justice to the emotions would take more words than I should put in a message board post.
I do not believe that a soul can be poisoned. Only that a weak or undisciplined will can be bent. Wisdom comes from experience. The moral danger, of course, becomes an issue when one is gluttenous in the acquisition of only selected types of experience. Watching only snuff, living primarily drunk or stoned, or reading only the sports page will affect your perception and perspective of other people. Similarly avoiding these things completely, in favor of scripture, temperence and prayer will leave you gullible and relatively easy to manipulate by The Bad People, whoever they may be, from politicians to the con man. The Bible, and for that matter The Koran themselves have been used as tools to draw people into unGodly behavior. Does it not make sense that an unGodly video may be used as a tool against evil?
The pupose of this thread was to help me, for my own sake, make a determination as to the authenticity of the video; not to compare notes about feelings generated by the show. If it were, I would have put it in Cafe Society–which would have been abominable. I think the video’s authenticity is extremely important as I formulate ideas about what is happening to people in this world in a physical as well as spiritual sense.
My first reaction was that these people are animals and I no longer care what the hell goes on in Iraq…let’s just leave and let them fight and kill each other.
I never even thought about if the video was legit or not.
After reading this thread, I thought about it a bit and while it may have been edited or he may have been drugged, I still think those men killed him. How they did it or how they “share” it really makes no difference to me.
I do not think there is any American Government conspiricy here either. I dislike GWB as much as the next guy, but even he is not this low. Right?
What I don’t believe is that the gov’t has positively identified the killer…with that sound quality, it seems to me that voice recognition would not be conclusive enough to make such a desisive statement like “We know who it is”. It would not surprise me if the gov’t just blamed it on an Al-Qaida member known to be in the region to strenghthen the reasons for going into Iraq to fight the “war on terror”.
And if the video is a deversion from the prison scandal, it is not working very well.
Did anyone read my earlier post? I believe I stated some very plausible explanations.
As for the time stamp - big deal. Why is it so “unusual” that they may have forced him to reveal those details earlier, then commited the murder later on? There are dozens of reasons for a time delay. I don’t get it
I think the timestamp thing is considered noteworthy because there’s an eleven-hour jump in the number, but nothing else suggests that eleven hours passed.
They’ve said already that they’re upset it became public knowledge that he was killed that way. I’m sorry for that, but they don’t have control over what other people should know.
I’ll decide what’s necessary or unnecessary for myself, thanks. I don’t believe in souls, but I do think it’s important to be well-informed. I can’t say I’m happy I saw this video, but the crime is the senseless murder of an innocent man, not in watching or talking about it.
World Eater, the US government publicly reversed its belief that al-Zarqawi has a prosthetic leg some months ago. There’s no visual evidence of one here.
I know you say later that you don’t believe this was an Al Qaeda thing, but you can’t just ignore them.
It’s not just voice recognition, apparently, there’s been analysis of the man’s speech pattern and such. I can’t know one way or the other, but I would imagine they can clean up the sound a bit as well.
The public long ago gave up on the Saddam-Al Qaeda link anyway, and I don’t think this has strengthened the peoples’ resolve to stay in Iraq. On top of that, it’s common knowledge that foreign fighters and terrorists have come into Iraq to cause trouble, the government has said as much.
No, I am suggesting that perhaps a website who would profit from displaying the atrocity faked a video in order to get more traffic. In other words, while I am sure that the video exists, I am not sure that the video I saw and heard was not just someone trying to make money from tragedy.
I am not sure how everything was pieced together, but it may have been edited quite a bit. What you say is true, these men would be unlikely to drug someone to be humane. It was just a hope on my part.
The video, while horrific, doesn’t sit right with me as well.
The common tin-foil hat buzz I’m hearing now is that Berg was killed by these people, no question. But the tape may have been edited and overdubbed to suit the US needs. Perhaps the real statement was totally different then what the edited version says?
Because of the time stamp, it’s odvious there was SOME editing. It would be in the USA’s best interest at the moment (due to the information coming out about Abu Ghraib) if people thought Bergs’ head was sliced off when he was still alive, the reason, retaliation against the USA. But, if it wasn’t, a vocal overdub and some quick edits and it sure looks like it.
Perhaps Berg was killed for another reason?
Personally, I believe Berg was killed by some radical group, but I don’t think we have the true copy of the film or the message. I think Berg is being propagandaized like new Jessica Lynch.
Something happened but someone might have tweaked the truth in their interest.
I have no problem with gore and have watched some horrible murders on tape, but somehow I feel downloading/watching that movie as disrespectful to Mr. Berg and his family.
It was a while since I watched it, but it looks like he’s given a quick pointy tipped jab to the back of the neck. Thus, if done correctly, severing his brain stem and making the whole thing rather humane as hacking someone’s head off with a knife goes.
