He is. They turned into LIZARDS.
He’s my favorite captain after Kirk. More competent than Janeway (but who wasn’t), less passive than Picard. Plus he got Vulcans to play baseball. I don’t even like baseball but I loved that.
As for Voyager, I liked most of the crew, but not Janeway and 7of9. Chakotay was a bit annoying at times, but much less so than those two, the rest I liked pretty well. The Doctor may well be one of the best ST characters of all time, too bad the lame plots kept him down.
Oh, well, THAT makes perfect sense. But, I mean, SLUGS?!?!? Insane.
That’s not even the insane part of the episode. You didn’t ask why they turn into lizards…
…because they went too fast in a shuttle. Supposedly they went to infinite speed, and that caused their bodies to speed up their evolution (because evolution works on individuals, like in Pokemon), which turned them into salamander-like creatures.
The actors’ contracts must have contained a clause saying that if anyone objected to the writing, they’d be shot.
Ah, but Sisko wasn’t a Captain, mostly. He was the Commander.
Of course, I liked this, as it meant his job was explicitly about dealing with factions, conflicting subordinates, and trying to balance out sides in which he didn’t have dominating authority. Placing the station on the frontier was another brilliant move, as it meant there was a constant stream of less-than-desirables, foreigners with very different assumptions about how things should work, and odd situations.
I was long amused by the fact that Voyager and TNG was supposedly about our fearless explorers going to new places, but was never really about discovery and the most interesting plots were internal to the characters. DS9, despite literally never moving, actually did have radical plot developments, constant discoveries, and faced the task of dealing with new ideas and people with gusto.
The wormhole brought aliens to the contraption rather the contraption going to aliens.
Despite Janeway and Howdy Doody getting it on as salamanders, I preferred Voyager to DS9. I stopped watching DS9 in the third season.
Shame, because it was really good from the 4th season onwards
In-universe, maybe. It’s just one arbitrary plot-convenience out of endless possibilities. The points is that DS9 actually dealt with the issues of new and different cultures. Voyager did not.
This made me laugh. (I’m not a fan of forum-buttons in general, but sometimes I want a Laugh one!)
…Then I started thinking about scripted television as a whole, and I realized: that clause must be a pretty standard one.
Early on, it sure seems like it. Later on, though, the actors were able to get more and more control of the process. For example, the reason why Janeway is such a schizophrenic character is that Mulgrew herself started taking control of that character. The scripts would make her one way, but then she’d successfully get it changed–but only some of the time. So the character kept going back and forth.
And that’s not a slight against her–she had a much better idea of the character. She was the one that figured out that Janeway would not be such a stickler.
The fact that Janeway admitted that they might be a generational ship, but no one is having babies. “Galactica”'s Adama got it right.
Also, the episode “Renaissance Man” with this quote, “Voyager can survive without its warp core… but not without its captain.” So, Chakotay was there for window dressing? TOS Kirk was willing to sacrifice himself for his ship, as well were Capts. George Kirk and Robau in the 2009 film.
Although the article does seem to find more to like about Voyager and it’s characters than the series deserves–and really, simply attributing the hate to fanboy sexism is a pretty lazy analysis–the article also makes a point about how the focus of quality television has moved away from strong, competent female leads toward (in the author’s words) “alpha males struggling to hold onto their privilege during changing times. That’s only a ‘universal’ story if you agree that straight white males really are the universe.”
First. I’ll ignore the author’s omission of The Wire–a series that has few “straight white male” characters. Nevertheless, I don’t think the difference in female characters between Voyager and, say, Nurse Jackie or Homeland (hmm…what about Scandal?) have anything to do with denying female empowerment. Rather, it shows a stronger modern appetite for characters that are in general more complex and morally ambiguous than they were in 1995. A few details aside (I’ll concede the author’s notions about the “Fair Haven” episode, though I think this can be explained better as a Harlequin romance rather than sexual liberation), Janeway is not really that interesting, and her motives are usually straight from the “hero” playbook.
Wasn’t the Wildman girl born onboard?
He was Commander for 3 years of the show, Captain for 4. Probably should’ve been made Captain earlier, when he was given command of the Defiant, though.
The downfall of Voyager can be summed up as this;
It started with a great premise.
And threw it away in the first episode.
In my opinion, it works better if you first saw it without knowing the premise. That’s what I did. When seen like that, it just feels like an extension of TNG. Which isn’t surprising, as many of the scripts were written with TNG in mind.
One of my favorite reviewers summed it up as “Voyager: Where potential goes to die.”
Hell, as an interview with Garrett Wang mentioned…
No wonder Berman and Trek were spaced. Bozo.
According to the rumors, Berman’s the reason we never saw any gays on Trek, either.
Well, aside from in the evil mirror universe, which isn’t eyebrow raising at all.