What do you guys think about this one? I think it might be cool, if they get everything right. Alot of things can go wrong with it.
I think it’ll suck. Maybe I’m not being all that fair but I just don’t have high hopes for it based on the last 7 years of Voyager. It is possible that after 30+ years, hundreds of episodes, and 4 series that they’ve reached their end.
I think it’ll last at least 7 years though. Sci Fi fans are so starved for something on television that they’ll watch almost anything in it. Maybe we’ll all get lucky and they’ll make something as good as Babylon 5 again.
Marc
I want to like Star Trek I really really do.
I think it’s going to suck, if they keep resorting to the mindless gimmicks that they used in Voyager. I mean… this is the BEGINNING. They won’t have all the technological loopholes to rely upon for resolving plot devices.
IF done right, it can be a really cool series. I just doubt it’ll be done right.
I just hope they remember that there are no freaking Holosuites… I get so tired of the writers living out their Dashell Hammett (sp?) fantasies…
I think it has promise, since I’m a Star Trek fan and I’d look forward to any kind of new series. What they DO have to stop, however, is their “Captain, I’ve just figured out how I can reverse the triscriptum discombobulation modulator of their shields, so we can disable them in a single shot.” These on-the-fly “Geordi-isms” (because Geordi was the first one to start with this crap, I believe) are just totally unbelievable and contrived.
I just made a comment about something from Star Trek being unbelievable…
I’m gonna go jump off a bridge now. 
It will suck. Of course it will suck; it’s by Berman and Braga, the same team who made Voyager the suckingest piece of suckiosity for seven years. They demonstrated over and over again that they had no respect for science or for established Trek history/continuity.
Here are my predictions of things they’ll screw up:
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[li]Captain Archer’s Enterprise will have some form of holodeck, although it was treated as new technology in the first episode of TNG.[/li][li]They will encounter the Borg, although we saw the first contact with the Borg in TNG.[/li][li]The Vulcan character will experience pon farr, and other very private details of the Vulcan species and culture will be discovered by Captain Archer and his crew, even though these things were all new to Kirk in TOS.[/li][li]They’ll have replicators, or at least some form of food delivery system more advanced than we saw in TOS.[/li][li]The Ferengi will appear or at least be hinted at, although they shouldn’t come along until much later in Trek history.[/li][li]We’ll meet Sarek, or Kirk’s grandparents, or Picard’s great-grandparents, or in some similar hokey way they’ll tie Enterprise’s continuity to that of the other three series. Bonus suck-points if they hire known Trek actors to play their familiar characters’ grandcestors.[/li][/ul]
Needless to say, I won’t be watching.
Mymain problem with the Star Trek writers, besides the Macguever/Geordi-isms, is the inconsitency of the writing. some episodes of Voyager were in fact very, very good, but they were buried in shit.
I really don’t think the new series will last very long.
I had high hopes when I heard about this. Think of it…no more holodecks! Hallejulah(sp?)!!!
My enthusiasm has become a bit more tempered tho, because:
Truly, whoever was responsible for Voyager should be buried in a deep dark pit, instead of being given another shot. Let’s just hope they learned from their mistakes.
This would be cause for justifiable homicide, if it happens.
To be fair, they actually did have food replicators on TOS…they just weren’t accompanied by a pointless display of special effects.
Again, to be fair, if handled correctly, I think this would be kinda cool, emphasis on “if handled correctly”.
Negative. There are specific references in TOS and in at least one of the Kirk-era movies to the Enterprise’s galley and its cooks. I believe the explanation that has been given for the food-appearing-from-nowhere trick is that they used transporters to move the food from the galley to the mess hall. In a replicator, the transporter is used to create the food from fat, protein, and carbohydrate stores.
Well, thankfully they’ve found a serious actress :rolleyes: to play the Vulcan science officer. Oh, for those of you at work, borderline naughtiness at that link.
And in TOS, I was always under the impression that the food replicators weren’t actually replicators but rather dumbwaiters going down to the kitchens or teleporters bringing food from somewhere where it was pre-made… that would explain why the food showed up with tribbles all over it in TTWT, and why the cooks found the ovens all full of turkeys in Charlie X.
Oooh oooh! Serious Trekkie argument here! Fun! 
First, give me one of those “specific references” from the TOS…yes there was a galley in ST6, I believe that was because it was an important diplomatic mission and they wanted to serve their honored guests real food. It was, after all, also the first time we ever saw them have a formal sit-down dinner on the Enterprise, with waiters and everything.
As far as your “transporter not replicator” argument, I don’t think so. First, why would they expend all that energy for something so prosaic? Why not just have the cafeteria next to the galley, for heaven sake? Also, I distinctly recall characters on the TOS ordering something from a replicator, like a hot fudge sundae, and getting it within seconds, clearly not enough time for someone down in the galley to prepare it and put it in the transporter. In any case, I think you are splitting a fine hair. Once you have transporter technology, how hard is it really to make a food replicator?
Ummm…well, to be fair, we haven’t seen her in costume yet. But it ain’t a good sign…
I seem to be using the phrase “to be fair” a lot in this thread. But, to be fair, it has proven useful…
It will rock, because I am a hopeless optimist.
I figure with Scott Bakula having some creative control, and being a Trek fan, things might just be more plot and character-driven than Voyager was. Hell, if they could combine the later season plotlines of DS9 with the character development of TOS, it’d be a great show.
IMHO, of course.
Esprix
I’m with you, Esprix, though I know we’re in the minority.
I’ll keep hoping, and I will watch.
About this new “Trek” series, I will watch it at the start to see how it pans out but anything that tries to do a prequel with things already done or said is pretty hard to accomplish. For example, it would be easy to do a movie regarding the Aliens from the Alien series of movies for information on how these creatures came to be since we have no knowledge of it.
Since we have TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies, books, fans, sites, etc. in the Star Trek Universe - doing this series will be hard work. I just don’t see Scott Bakula as a Captain of the Enterprise. Wasn’t it in TOS where the Enterprise went out of our Galaxy so what would they actually do here and how would they know the Borg, Ferengi, etc. unless its a parallel universe.
Come to think of it - they never really did a true Mirror, Mirror Episode for Voyager which I think would have kicked butt IMHO
Just a nitpick, the novels aren’t canon, only the series and movies are.
Esprix
I really hope that this show won’t be horrible. And I hope the Vulcan officer will want to “experiment” with humans, awww yeah!
They had better show some serious Federation politics, or I’m going to kick some asterisk. I got so sick of Voyager (and to a lesser extent TNG) zooming from alien from alien without any long-term examination of the society they were living in. After a while they became story-free showcases for the pretty SFX and ugly aliens.
That’s why DS9 was so shibby: the station STAYED IN ONE PLACE. They actually had to explore Bajoran politics. We got to hear about Kai Winn’s backroom schemes. We found out who’s the prime minister of Bajor and the president of the Federation. We had scenes on Earth. We saw how things out in the Bajoran sector were affecting the core of the Federation, as well as the residents of the “frontier” themselves.
With a few exceptions (coughBetazedcough) things were followed up and had actual repercussions. When the wormhole was closed or Odo lost his shapeshifting powers or got a disease, it stayed like that, for several episodes at least.
Best of all, the series was ambiguous and layered, leaving it up to us whether we believed in, say, wormhole aliens in a verteron conduit or Prophets in the Celestial Temple. (Especially Sisko, being torn between Federation captain and Bajoran Emissary.)
I pray that it’ll present something to latch on to and follow from week to week. I have little (not “no”, but little) interest in seeing Scott Bakula jet all over the early Federation having picaresque adventures.
And (very parenthetically) this is early Federation, before they had time to genetically alter all the fags & dykes out of existence, so I hope I see some of us. Thank you.
Matt, I agree with you completely.
The new series has such a great opportunity here. Humans are just learning about long distance space travel. They get thrown into the Federation and all these rules come at them at once. Prime Directive? What’s that?
Without being hokey, they have a chance to show that no one really understands what’s going on, and they’re trying to figure things out the best they can.
And there must have been some fanstastic power struggle if humans go from being initiated into the Federation to damn near running it in 200 years.
Plus, is the Captain human? I don’t know, but if he is it would be interesting to see how the “aliens” under his command react to the fact that this newbie is suddenly giving them orders.
But it won’t happen. I have no doubt they’ll ignore all this. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Braga was reading this right now saying “Fuckin’ Star Trek fans. What a bunch of dweebs. OK, now what can I ignore this week that I wrote about last week?”
I would like to see the show start off with the uniting of various Earth factions (some pro-alien, some anti-alien).
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But through all the episodes and series Star Trek has rarely delved all that deeply into Federation politics. I think something like that might be interesting but I don’t think it’d sell all that well. Though there were a couple of episodes of DS9 and TNG that made me feel like Star Fleet has to much power and can take over the Federation any time they feel like it.
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That sums up most of my feelings about Voyager.
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Shibby?
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The fact that the episodes connected together was something I thought was a good idea. I can understand why so many people get so attached to day time soaps.
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What happened to Betazed? Other then them mentioning that it was taken over by the Dominion along with a few other planets I don’t remember it being such a big deal.
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What if they’re good adventures though? I don’t see why they couldn’t run around having adventures and still have character development over time. That’s one thing I don’t like about Star Trek series. For the most part I thought you could take Trek characters at the end of the series and they’d be almost exactly the same as there were at the start. That’s no fun.
Sorry, no can do. They were genetically altered during the time when Khan’s people ruled the Earth.
Marc