In the interest of fair play… First, it’s Diogenes the Cynic… I should at least spell your name right. Secondly, it was regarding Wellstone… but the search is farked and I can’t find it. It was a righteous insult though.
Making a martyr of yourself is one thing. Being made a martyr by the state is quite something else. Then there is dieing peacefully in your sleep.
I assume Paul Wellstone? I live in North Dakota and to this day there are “Wellstone '04” bumper stickers on some MN cars up here. If that wasn’t the man you meant, apologies. If it was the man you meant, more proof.
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There is no such thing as ideas acing independently of people. The “idea of Nazism” exists soley in the minds of individuals, and it now has one less proponent.
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There are much greater recruitment tools than martyrs, and the greatest one is success. There is nothing more attractive then a group that’s achieving their goals - because everybody wants to be on the winning team. There’s also nothing less attractive than a bunch of losers. So long as groups like the Aryan Nations remain marginal, we can handle the power of a few martyrs.
You want proof that I was insenstive about Paul Wellstone?
Why?
I was quoting you. Wasn’t a direct post to you. Sorry for the confusion.
If the world were a photograph, you would be correct. Unfortunately, it is a motion picture. Out with one, in with two. Meanwhile, as I said, far more non-Nazis died yesterday than Nazis. They lost one; we lost millions. Ideas do not act independently of people, but people do not act independently of ideas either. That is why I reminded you that the frontal lobe informs the motor cortex, and not the other way around. The idea is conceived, and then the person acts.
Success is always one act of political expediency away: In hoc signo vinces.
The fact that millions of us died and only one of them saddens me; however, there’s something reasuring to it, because the fact that so few of them die indicates that few of them yet live.
The idea may lead to the action, but the idea cannot exist without a mind to hold it. People change their ideals very rarely, if at all, and sometimes its easier to wait for the death of believers then the death of belief.
We can agree on those points. 
Oh, come on! You know you hate cats too!
Your grandfather and half the other GIs who served in that theater. My Jewish father brought back some stuff also.
And Friar Ted - my Dad got to live out your fantasy. He ran a restaurant (okay, a lunch counter) before the war, so when he was on occupation duty in Bavaria he got put in charge of the officer’s club. He had a bunch of former SS officers and men working for him as cooks, waiters and bus boys. He enjoyed that little bit of irony quite a bit.
I’m having trouble seeing how an 86 year old dying peacefully in bed constitutes a “martyr,” but that’s ok.
If they are saddened by the death of a douchebag like Butler, then fuck them too.
You are really not all that bright. With any luck, you also are not a mother, father, brother, sister, son, or daughter of anyone.
Perhaps they are saddened by his death not because of his opinions but because of some other reason. Is it possible that there was once more than one aspect to this man’s existence, and some folks are lamenting the loss of that part of their lives?
[sub]Do we go through this every time people feel like being Big and Mean following someone’s death?[/sub]
Perhaps his opinions render every other aspect of his existence meaningless. The man was a blight on the face of America and the human race. Those who cared for him did so at the cost of any sympathy I might otherwise hold for the grieving.
I don’t feel like being big and mean, I merely believe the world is a far better place with Butler gone.
So are you. So what?
Good riddance Mr. Butler. One down, a few thousand more Nazi nut jobs to go.
Liberal, it’s like the old saying goes - everybody makes the world a better place; some doing it by entering the world and others do it by leaving.
I doubt his death will cause nothing more than a stir in the white supremacist movement. Recent Intelligence Reports from the SPLC indicate he was becoming a marginal leader. This was likely due to the fragmentation that occurred recently throughout the ranks of the Aryan Nation and other groups associated with the White Supremacist movement.