I tend to agree. The article has some nice sciency stuff in there that I would think Dio would appreciate.
First off, by ackowledging that you need a note, you are acknowledging that this is a piece of information that you might forget. And Dio and others are saying that it’s impossible to forget. As long as people think ‘that can’t happen to me, that happens to bad people’, they’re probably not going to make a note, because that admits their own fallibility. Do you leave yourself a note every time you have your dogs in the car?
Dumbass, the carseat is often fixed in the car and is there whether or not the baby is in it.
I’m not in a rush to judge, I’ve had a long time to decide you’re an idiot. The point is that these parents were not necessarily neglectful. Some might have been, sure, but if you read the Washington Post article it’s pretty clear that those were not neglectful parents. Nobody is saying "eh, what’s a couple of fried babies, who cares?’ - people are saying that the deaths of those children were the result of one moments forgetfulness, a single terrible error with tragic consequences. The suffering of a parent in these circumstances is surely more of a burden than any legal punishment would be. We’re trying to show a little compassion - I realize that that is a human emotion you don’t understand, but read the article and you might feel an inkling of it.
Hey, come on over here! It’s illegal to serve dog as food, yet there are “health stew/invigoration stew” (dog soup) restaurants all over the country. The law also requires every occupant of an automobile to wear safety restraints, yet incredibly few people do, even after the periodic police enforcement drives. I’ve only seen a few children buckled in. But their parents say they love the children. Go figure.
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But would he put sugar in his oatmeal?
If anyone is interested in an explanation of the various mental states involved in scienter elements of crimes, and an explanation of strict liability, I’ll be happy to provide it.
But I get the sense that the only post here who needs this information is supremely uninterested in learning it.
I don’t need to read an article to learn anything about my own mental states or to know what I would or would not do. I know more about myself than some baby-killer apologist writing a newspaper column.
And leaving a baby in the car is automatically illegal, period. There is no “I forgot” exception, and no one can show me a statute that says there is.
Dio you used to be frustrating but good. Either you are going over the edge and no longer able to debate well or you’re being an absolute troll lately. There are too many holes in your arguments. I suppose someone will spend the time trying to prove you wrong, but that’s the attention you want.
Seriously, I agree with Mighty Girl.
Go ahead and point out the holes. I don’t even know what people are upset about – that I pointed out the law to them or that I know I would or would not be capable of.
I disagree. It sounds to me, flipping around to the other end of the spectrum, like saying that everyone has a non-zero chance of compulsively checking that the stove is off. Even if I agree that the chance of anything could never be zero, in reality there is a proportion of people whose realistic, functional probability of forgetting for an extended period of time that their child is still in the car is zero.
I frying your dog!
I’ve read Weingarten’s article. It’s an extremely difficult article to read, especially (I would imagine) for a parent, which I am not. A lot of text is devoted to legal issues: why one case may be prosecuted in one jurisdiction and a very similar case dismissed in another. Weingarten also touches on the psychology of people who react as Diogenes is reacting.
Diogenes, I wish you would take the time to read it. I’m almost positive it will not change your mind, but it might make you sound as if you know what it is you are actually discussing.
I’d be very interested to read this, please.
Good God Dio, I’ve got to agree with **BottledBlondJeanie **- you’ve completely gone off the rails here. I know you have a black and white world view, but this is ridiculous.
Nonsense. Diogenes hasn’t changed in the least. This thread is the product of an obsessed stalker douchebag with a campaign going against Diogenes. I can’t stand having to see, in every thread Diogenes posts in, some shit eating snarky reference to pedophilia. Get over your butthurt, you pathetic loser.
The author of that article does not know me better than I do. There is nothing I can learn about myself by reading it, and I generally hat reading articles about anything happening to young children. I change the channel if something comes on the news about it. I don’t want to know.
Ok, did I miss something regarding pedophelia?
Maybe this isn’t the right thread, but I do see a difference in Dio’s debates and tactics. Usually there weren’t so many holes. My observations aren’t based on the opinions discussed here, just positions in toto lately.
I can’t remember Dio pissing me off where I would have an ax to grind…even his Favre rantings.
For a minute, I thought you meant “poster” rather than “post”. But I think you may be on to something…it would be more worthwhile to give an explanation to a lamppost than to Dio.
It’s facile to just say you’d never do it. bet everyone who’s done it didn’t think they’d ever do it.
I think knowing you are human and that you might have mental lapses is an important safeguard against these kinds of things – it compels you to double- and triple-check, etc.
For example, I’ve left the garage door open and got my lawn mower and some other things ripped off. Somehow, insisting to myself that I’d never, ever do something as stupid as leave the garage door wide open wasn’t very useful as a way to not not forgetting to close the garage door. But knowing that I’ve done it, I never drive off without looking at it, saying, “OK, it closed all the way,” before driving away.
I don’t quite understand why acknowledging that it’s possible to do stupid things when sleep deprived, stressed, or distracted is a bad thing. The ability to self-assess, acknowledge weaknesses, and develop strategies for dealing with your own deficiencies is essential to preventing tragedies like these. Probably the people who have the emotional reach to see how it could happen to someone are the least likely to end up in that situation, though it’s a one in a million thing anyway.
Pretty much everything you need to know about providing cites to Dio can be distilled down to those five words.
An opinion piece isn’t a cite.
In that case, I must be up there with Gandhi in the whole “admiration” stakes.
It’s a nice feeling having your backing, 'luci