You’ve become irrational and emotional, abandoning all logic. I’ve answered almost all of your silly questions. I’ve cited Ali’s racism. When all else failed, out of desperation, you resorted to calling me a racist.
We’re all flawed. But since when is racism so easily dismissed? Since when is racism merely described as a flaw? MLK being an adulterer is hardly comparable to Ali being a racist.
Randomly listing charities is a perverted and lazy attempt at corroborating heroism.
Please explain how Ali could support a short, Jewish comedian - to the point of affectionately calling said comedian “little brother” - without disavowing any racist ways.
It’s the implication. I grew up as a Yankee Down South during the death throes of Jim Crow. I know you, or your type. We tried to eradicate you fifty-some years ago. You are anathema (look it up, loser). Crawl beneath a bridge not even goats use.
First off, Mohammed Ali had dyslexia, which was undiagnosed when he took that test (and when he was in high school).
Ergo, his low class ranking and score on an IQ test are irrelevant and faulty measures of his true intelligence, even if there were no other reasons, which there were.
That’s his disavowal of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. That is his direct statement that his views had changed and he no longer agreed with the message of Louis Farrakhan, the views he previously advocated.
Possibly because Jews didn’t import and enslave Ali’s “people” and then grant them “freedom” only to continue the oppression in more or - more often - less polite ways.
Possibly because Jews have faced the same and worse for a millennia or three.
> Ali was a magnificent boxer. But as a person, he was a dim-witted racist.
So what? Do you really think that it’s impossible for a person to be morally very good on one issue and morally very bad on another issue? Most people (and possibly everybody) are logically inconsistent. Most people (and possibly everybody) are morally inconsistent. You can try to explain to such people that, since they consider one particular way of being virtuous important, they should consider another way of being virtuous important. They don’t get it, and it takes a major reorganization of their logical and moral thinking to understand what you’re even talking about. The minds of most people (and perhaps of everybody) are masses of inconsistent logical/moral/aesthetic/etc. thought. That’s just how human beings work. You just have to get used to that.
You’ve gotta do better than “implication”. Don’t take the cowards way out. Calling someone a racist is a serious accusation.
This is another example of a desperate leftist. Because this leftist is unable to articulate their opposing opinion, they’ve resorted to calling me racist, afraid to specifically cite anything. Such is par for the course with leftists.
Their objective:
1.) Unable to compose a logical opposing viewpoint, calling me a racist discredits the loudness of my logic.
2.) By simply calling me a racist–thus forcing me to take time to defend myself–the momentum of the debate is halted, diverting us from what we were discussing.
Irishman,
Nothing you’ve cited specifically acknowledges or disavows Ali’s racist past. Elijah Muhammad was the leader of the NOA while Ali was rubbing shoulders with the KKK. Ali didn’t like Farrakhan personally, so he left the NOA. Ali’s disavowing of Farrakhan is irrelevant.
I appreciate your efforts in citing Ali’s evolving religious views, and his far-too-late sympathy for Joe Frazier, but unless you can specially cite Ali disavowing Elijah or his involvement with the KKK, you’ve missed the point.
Let’s go further…
Let’s say that through the vague poems and all the ascribing to ambiguity that you’ve cited, Ali did disavow his racist past. Such a hypothetical doesn’t change the fact that Ali is praised as a hero for what he did/said during the period in which he was preaching on behalf of segregation, rubbing shoulders with the KKK.
I see your ignorance now … you think fighting against racism is, in of itself, racism.
That’s pretty ignorant if you ask me. This seems to be your own special kind of ignorance, thus the complete lack of any citations to back up your claims. Your ignorance is so special you don’t even know that it’s, in fact, ignorant.
We celebrate Muhammad Ali’s life because he did evolve. he did learn. Just as We the People have evolved, We the People have learned.
Well, at least, most of us have … there are those with learning disabilities after all … [snicker]
> But most people are not considered heroes, to be worshipped upon their death.
> Attaching heroism to a blatant racist is troubling.
Who here is worshipping him? He’s a flawed human being. So are we all. Lots of racists were also heroes in other ways. Again, it’s possible to have one virtue without having another virtue. I think Thomas Jefferson did good things for the U.S. despite his being a slaveholder. I wish both Jefferson and Ali had been better and more morally consistent people, but they weren’t.
You and I and others know that there’s a certain sort who just can’t stomach a black man being describe in favorable terms… or at least not without qualification. Lots of qualification.
