The D’s do a bad job of framing the issue and they don’t own the shutdown so it comes off as inauthentic.
I would frame it so shutting down the govt is the only reasonable action that can be taken and wanting to open it (w/o doing some other thing first) would be unreasonable.
For example, ICE violates the 4th Amendment by allowing the Govt to go inside your home without a warrant signed by a Judge. I’m happy to give ICE money to do their job but not until they promise you they won’t enter your home without a warrant signed by a Judge.
I think this is a good idea. Framing it as an infringement on liberty might connect with more people than would otherwise pay attention to an immigration issue. The Dems need to come out with stronger demands to start from a better negotiating position; otherwise they will walk away with a bunch of empty promises.
Except the One Big Beautiful Bill funds ICE at global military levels (at levels only third behind the US and China) and the government shutdown won’t affect the ICE budget.
Agreed. Take the attention of the undocumented people and emphasize that this is an assault on American’s freedom. We’ve established among ourselves how we feel about the issue, and bigots aren’t going to come around to our side, so we must concentrate the message on the trampling of the Constitution and the assault on all our rights.
Don’t worry, folks - Chuck Schumer is already working out how to cave on this one too.
Two sources on the call told NBC News that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., told the caucus the message had to be to “restrain, reform and restrict ICE.”
According to one of the sources, Schumer told them that the vote won’t come until Thursday and that he discussed the Democratic caucus’ unity in opposition to funding DHS without reforms. He said the five other funding bills apart from the DHS measure are acceptable.
No risk, no reward. The Dems should stick to their guns until the GOP folds. People may complain now, loudly, but if the Democrats stand fast, the only thing those same people will remember come November is that the Republicans were beaten.
Back to the OP. The Dems in the Senate want to vote “No” on a new funding bill for the Department of Homeland Security. This is because of what’s happening in Minneapolis. If the bill isn’t passed, the government will shutdown. Is all of that correct? If so, have the Senate Dems changed their tune now that ICE is (supposedly) being pulled out of Minneapolis, and will now vote for the DHS funding bill?
I saw MTG pushing the point that ICE infringed on his 2nd Amendment rights and Pubs wouldn’t have tolerated that if it was a Biden Administration.
I am very concerned about the Administration having a armed force loyal only to them operating inside the country. I think the public needs some help imagining where this could lead. That it’s not just ‘immigrants’ that are at risk.
The stock market tanked when the Greenland issue heated up. The public needs to understand that their jobs and investments aren’t safe with an Administration that is self destructing – it’s inevitable.
I don’t remember the NRA making a big stink out of the death of Philando Castile. Castile (Black) was pulled over for a traffic stop back in 2016, made the officer aware he was a concealed carry holder, was then shot to death by officer Jeronimo Yanez of the St. Paul, Minnesota police force. The NRA’s response was rather tepid.
MTG’s not wrong. If Biden had done this in Georgia or Texas, Republicans would be howling with rage. I’d like to think most of us would be howling right alongside them. But the GOP has demonstrated over the last decade that they’re more than willing to break laws and norms so long as the right people are getting hurt. The NRA included. I’ve seen the NRA release a statement of concern, but we’ll see if their response goes further than that. I doubt it.
There is a 6 bill budget that has been negotiated by both parties that is coming up for a final vote. There is a request now to pull the DHS funding out and negotiate it separately. This would allow the rest of the budget to get passed.
If the bills don’t get passed, there will be a partial shutdown. I’m not clear on which agencies will be unfunded, but from the DHS: ICE and Border Patrol are already funded and FEMA and TSA are not and will be affected.
Some of the proposed changes to DHS funding:
These are pretty reasonable IMHO and really should have been in the negotiated bill already.
This is not really the time for this fight, but I hope they can also use this as an impetus to dissolve the DHS back to basically the agency distribution 25 years ago. While it wouldn’t be the first thing I’d run on in 2026, I don’t see why it couldn’t be a plank in candidates campaigns.
So the immediate result of a shutdown will be that ICE and Border Patrol go on their merry way, but FEMA gets shut down during the middle of bitter weather (with tornadoes in the South and spring flooding not far away) and your average air traveler will have to stand in security lanes longer while unhappy TSA agents either work without pay or don’t show up.
Again, why you start pushing for the dissolution of the DHS as part of this. There is no useful reason for having jammed all those agencies together after 9/11. Sure, it probably can’t happen with this bill, but make it a talking point for 2027.
Can you explain this further? When you say “from the DHS,” do you mean “according to the DHS”? If so, I’m not feeling inclined to take their word for it.
Aside from Noem and Bovino being replaced, is there news that ICE is going to be drawing down? I just saw some vague reporting that Trump would “look into it.”
some minor nuance to that, but I think that is misleading reporting from Politico. You don’t need a judicial warrant to arrest someone. You need a judicial warrant to enter someone’s home (to arrest them). It’s the entering the home w/o a warrant or consent that is unconstitutional. The memo says ICE should enter your home even without a judicial warrant or your consent.
I’m not sure where people are getting the idea that Noem is being replaced. According to the NYT:
"Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem and Chief Advisor Corey Lewandowski met with Trump for almost two hours on Monday, according to the New York Times.
It was at her request, according to the Times, and her job reportedly isn’t in jeopardy."
Not to say that they may not be pressured to change course, since a lot of people are calling for her resignation, but there is no indication that she is going anywhere.
Sorry, my wording wasn’t clear. Of the sub organizations of the DHS, the bills include additional funding for FEMA, Border Patrol, ICE, and TSA.
I thought I saw another article saying there were a total of 6 suborgs that would be affected including those 4, the Coast Guard, and one other, but I’m going off memory.