WOW.
Again, WOW.
…Uh huh. They aren’t targeting Hamas. They don’t even know how many Hamas they have killed. They are deliberately targeting and destroying civilian infrastructure.
Uh huh.
From the Times of Israel:
Its not like I’m the only person to understand this.
You’re the person who doesn’t understand Israel is fighting a gorilla war. You should email the IDF and tell them where Hamas is fighting so they can defeat them and end the war.
Moderating:
Repeating the same points over and over is not productive, and tends to become attacking the poster. Please drop it.
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Getting really sick and tired of the ‘Hamas can stop this any time’ refrain.
Hamas aren’t going to. Hamas are heartless murderers.
Israel claims not to be. But it’s the IDF murdering babies, grannies and the sick and starving, by the thousands.
The IDF are now génocidaires. They may not have been in November, but they are now.
…the latest from Nasser Hospital:
First a statement from Tedros:
At least 70 healthcare workers have been arrested as well as dozens of immobile patients, who were taken away on stretchers. Oxygen shortages have so far resulted in seven deaths.
Testimony from Dr Moghrabi who was forced to leave the hospital. He reports that his colleagues were beaten, that the parts of Khan Yunis he walked through had been flattened, and that there were bodies lying on the ground everywhere. When we get the final death toll its going to be so much higher than the current estimates.
The LA Times published a report from American doctor Irfan Galaria a couple of days ago titled " I’m an American doctor who went to Gaza. What I saw wasn’t war — it was annihilation."
This Twitter account shares footage that was aired on Israeli TV that shows how IDF soldiers treat detainees that have been captured. Everyone is assumed to be Hamas.
There is so much footage out there, primarily filmed by soldiers themselves, of detainees. And every detainee released tells the same story of routine humiliation, beatings, and sometimes torture.
More video from the same documentary. "“Human animals, nothing less. Most of them of course at first deny any involvement, through certain tools and means, we manage to get the confessions out of them.” They literally aren’t even trying to hide what they are doing.
Here is a video of a very loud American yelling “WOW!” as the IDF blow up more buildings in Kahn Yunis.
They aren’t targeting tunnels. The evidence is more than clear at this point. Video after video of the IDF blowing up civilian infrastructure with controlled demolitions, often to cheers and laughter.
Another video from a documentary aired on Channel 14:
It shows the now destroyed Turkish Hospital: yet another war crime.
And it unveils what appears to be a key part in the post war plans: the construction of the “Netzarim Corridor” to split the north and the south.
You’d think that wouldn’t be necessary if they were planning to genocide everybody.
As if nobody ever planned infrastructure to support a genocide…
Yeah, and the Nazis never built a bridge over Chłodna Street, either.
…probably because genocide doesn’t mean what you think it means. They didn’t try to kill everyone during the Bosnian genocide after all…because that isn’t what genocide means.
If you haven’t already, I suggest you read the South African submission to the International Court of Justice, which makes the case Israel’s conduct here is both “genocidal in nature” and “in manifest violation of the Genocide Convention.”
It should clear up any confusion you may have.
The war in Gaza is neither deliberate, systematic, or an extermination.
I couldn’t care less about the opinion of either.
Dictionaries don’t define genocide. International law does.
Although Gaza is all 3 of those things you listed, anyway.
There’s no such thing.
…I mean, its very deliberate, its systematic, there is plenty of extermination going on, and the thing is I’ve just cited the South African submission to the International Court of Justice that argues that Israel is in manifest violation of the Genocide Convention.
And thats a bit more comprehensive than a dictionary definition found in a google search. So if you really want to have a serious discussion then:
You really should read the submission. Because that’s where the case for genocide has been made. And the case was convincing enough that the majority of judges ordered the following interim provisional measures:
As far as I’m concerned, this isn’t up for debate any more. The fact that Israel and their allies have pretty much had the same reaction as you to the interim rulings doesn’t mean much. The evidence is clear. This is a genocide. The goal is to make life almost impossible for Palestinians to live in Gaza. Its why people are now dying of starvation. Why they’ve broken the healthcare system, assassinated journalists and doctors and academics. Why they are literally cutting off the north from the south, making it even more difficult, if not impossible shortly, to get aid through to the area.
With no sign of the siege being lifted, and with an attack on Rafah still looming, and with this all to continue for months at least, we are looking at hundreds of thousands of deaths. This is on the cards. We’ve passed the point of no return.
Where I come from we don’t declare people guilty of crimes on the basis of what “a majority of judges” think, which is yet another reason the ICC is an illegitimate body.
The goal is to defeat Hamas. The rest of what you describe is simply what war looks like.
If this is true, then Hamas should surrender.
A bit disingenuous, because whether you recognize it as authoritative or not, The Convention On The Prevention And Punishment Of The Crime Of Genocide is as real as (and certainly no less authoritative than) Dictionary.com.
Why should we prefer your selected definition more than the Convention’s? And more to the point, if your beef really is over the existence or force of “international law,” why quibble over definitions at all?
I mean, heck, if a nation does choose to engage in straight up systemic extermination within the Dictionary.com definition of genocide, who cares? After all, international law isn’t real, right? Surely that’s equally true whatever definition of “genocide” you prefer?
If South Africa and the ICC really believe Israel is committing genocide, then they should declare war on it, invade, and force its government to surrender to them. That is how international policy is conducted when diplomacy is ineffective.
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