Jews butchered Arabs too. Killed disabled Arabs in orchards. NO hands clean.
Jews were literally wiped out by Arabs whenever in contact with them, no quarter given.
Arab warfare against the Jews in Palestine … had always been marked by indiscriminate killing, mutilating, raping, looting and pillaging. This 1947–48 attack on the Jewish community was more savage than ever. Until the Arab armies invaded Israel on the very day of its birth, May 15, 1948, no quarter whatsoever had ever been given to a Jew who fell into Arab hands. Wounded and dead alike were mutilated. Every member of the Jewish community was regarded as an enemy to be mercilessly destroyed…
The Arab Refugee Problem, Joseph B. Schectman, Philosophical Library, New York (1952), pp. 5–6.
Since that’s never going to happen, this will never be tested.
You can thank Hamas for that
Except for all that blockade and border control and civilian-killing airstrikes, of course, they “withdrew”.
Because they kept lobbing rockets into Israel proper
Where exactly do you think the West Bank settlements are built? Three-quarters of a million Israelis live in the West Bank.
Last time I checked plenty of Palestinians lived there
I could - if Israel wasn’t doing all that genociding. And bragging about it.
Except they don’t
Oh, they uprooted themselves, did they? Nothing that the proto-Israelis did had anything to do with it…
You’re just spouting denialist rhetoric , not fact. Actual history says different (my emphasis) :
Emphasis on your omissions from that list:
Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].
Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
No, you’re the one who brought up what the government says, I was posting about what you said.
What did I say exactly
Didn’t say they were. War crime and genocide aren’t synonyms.
Except when you talk about Israel
Israel just happens to be engaged in both.
No they’re not
You mean, your reading of ‘tone’ trumps what I actually post?
They’re one and the same to anybody bothering to read it.
I’ve called the heartless murderers. I’ll call them butchers or génocidaires, whatever you like.
What I won’t do is lie about what they did, or not discuss their reasons for doing what they did as though their were sui generis.
So you’ll make exceptions for their brutality because ‘It doesn’t happen in a vacuum’ That’s your rationale?
Or use them as a smokescreen for far worse-scaled atrocities. Which is what “But, Hamas” amounts to, now.
Always a caveat
What crossfire? Sniper fire isn’t “crossfire”. Airstrikes aren’t “crossfire”. Artillery shelling isn’t “crossfire”.
Rounding up families to be shot in Sderot isn’t crossfire either.
You can try and paint a picture of some hot running gun battle with civilians accidentally caught in-between, but that’s not what’s happening. And we can see that. There was no “crossfire” when that granny was sniped while under a white flag with her grandson.
No crossfire when Hamas murdered civilians in Sderot either,
Ideological motives rather than observation of the actual genocidal events occurring.
There isn’t a genocide occurring though, Hamas is an Islamic militant organisation on a par with ISIS, an ideology I have to base on the fact their ideological contemporaries would do the same to me as they did to Israeli civilians, so why should I ‘Both sides’ This conflict?
No, I’m happy to say Hamas intends genocide too.
Took long enough
Hamas, of course, isn’t in any position to make that happen and never was.
Except showing an example of what they’d do writ large in Sderot
Israel is.
5 million Palestinians still exist
Actual genocide concerns me much more than theoretical. Which is why I talk about what Israel is doing, and don’t “But, Hamas” their atrocities.
But there’s no actual genocide other than what you think is going on in your head
Because victimhood has given Israel soooo much sympathy for other oppressed peoples…
You mean the oppressed peoples who have routinely tried massacred them?
Remind me, who helped Israel build their atomic bombs, again? Israel has shown they’re quite happy to oppress others or align with oppressors, despite their own experiences. And then there’s the way they founded their own country. Why the hell would I think they’re the agents of peace?
Oh just like Palestinians were happy to align with Saddam when he was invading Kuwait, or Gaddafi when he was oppressing his own people, or destabilising Jordan and Lebanon this kind of realpolitik isn’t a uniquely Israeli phenomenon.
Remind me, how many UN peacekeepers has Israel deployed to help the international community in other parts of the world? As opposed to Mossad assassins? “Want peace”, my ass.
Why would it give up precious resources having peacekeepers when the entire Muslim world has been in lockstep wanting their destruction?
Israel doesn’t get to always hide behind the Holocaust as a cover for its own acts. That ship has sailed. What the Shoah definitely did was give Israelis trauma. History shows traumatized peoples have just as much likelihood of turning into killers when they gain the power to do so, if not more so. Revenge is a powerful motivator.
No, Israel has the view that if it doesn’t make peace from a position of strength they will be slaughtered yet again by another anti semitic driven enemy so why would it be motivated to do so after Hamas demonstrated what peace meant to then on October 7th?
Victimhood doesn’t make people any less terrible - it might do it for individuals, but nations? Naah. All it does is feed into their national myths. Of which Israel seems to have plenty: “Palestine was barren ground”, “The Arabs moved of their own accord”, “40 beheaded babies”. Lies, lies, lies. I don’t trust liars to make peace.
You mean lies like ‘Israel is doing genocide’ Or Israel is an ‘Apartheid’ State, yeah can’t make peace on lies like that.