I would think the logical conclusion is for Hamas to return the hostages and surrender.
My answer is that your questions are moronic.
…“how many Hamas soldiers have been killed in Gaza since October the 7th” doesn’t strike me as a particularly moronic question. For me, it would be a metric to help decide whether or not the bombing and sniping campaign is proportionate under International Humanitarian Law.
Dear Mr Magiver, This is the local police departement. There has been a series of murder in our fair city and we have determined that the murderers are hiding out somewhere in your neighborhood therefor we are going to fire bomb your housing complex and the five blocks around it. We have set up an emergency shelter for the 500 residents in a nearby gymnasium, which isn’t at the top of our list of targets. As a precaution we’ve shut off the water so there is no toilet facilities but Subway has been kind enough to donate three foot long subs that we threw in in case you get hungry. We apologize for any inconvenience but don’t blame us, its their fault for not surrendering.
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This is attacking the poster. If you don’t want to answer a question, you don’t have to. But don’t answer it with an insult outside of the pit.
This is a formal warning.
I think this is a great, balanced, and very reality-based look at the overall conflict, by Yuval Noah Hariri:
…Al Shifa raided again last night. Many killed, many, including Al Jazeera reporters beaten and detained, people sheltering in the hospital again ordered to head south.
Things are as terrible as they’ve ever been in Gaza. The reporting may have gotten quiet, but the bombing continues, the disruption to the healthcare system continues, starvation of the civilian population continues.
From the latest Flash Update:
From the IPC:
More at the link.
Excellent link, thanks.
…I’m giving up.
There are so many reports of atrocities coming out of Al Shifa. I don’t know where to start.
I had been, in the back of my mind, secretly hopeful that this wasn’t going to end with hundreds of thousands of dead Palestinians. There were people in this thread telling me to “wait and see” and asking “are you going to apologise when the ethnic cleansing doesn’t happen?”
But I’m not going to have to apologise.
There will be no “two-state solution.” Because there is absolutely nobody with any real standing that is in the Palestinians corner. They will be driven from Gaza, they will be driven from the West Bank. The decision today by the US congress to essentially defund UNRWA, give billions more dollars to Israel, and to make any attempts to hold Israel accountable for warcrimes impossible, puts a capstone on everything.
There are no red lines.
The siege will continue. And if Trump wins (and it’s likely that he will) Israel will double down on the slaughter. My only realistic hope right now is that Egypt opens the borders, other countries take on refugees en masse, It will still be ethnic cleansing. But at least they all won’t be condemned to die.
But I’ve got nothing more to add to this thread. Things have gone beyond the point of no return.
The healthcare system is gone, and any attempt to rehabilitate it will end up like Al Shifa now.
Food distribution can no longer safely happen. Over the last week, Israel have assassinated key people in the Gazan logistics and security chain. Even if the trucks were to be let through, Israel will do their best to disrupt distribution on the ground.
But the trucks won’t be let through.
Journalism is gone. Over 130 journalists assassinated. Al Jazeera reporters disappeared during the raid on Al Shifa. Bayan tweeted that her brother was killed in front of her a couple of days ago and nobody has heard from her since. One by one…targeted killings.
The country has been bulldozed. A new highway carved up the middle. Beachside properties have been eyed up. Its over for Gaza. Its over for the West Bank. Its over for Palestinians. There is no coming back from this and it’s time to stop pretending that anything, including the release of the remaining hostages, will change that.
It’s just a matter of waiting to see how outrageous the next IDF atrocity is.
That’s sadly probably true. I think the bulldozing of olive groves was when I first thought this.
They’ve always been the IOF, since 1948. It’s just that much clearer now, to more people around the world.
…there has been such a clear escalation in the last couple of weeks that is flying under the radar. Its been fucking brutal.
Yesterday, UNRWA were informed by Israeli authorities that they will no longer approve any UNRWA food deliveries to the north. Not that it mattered much at this stage, because UNRWA deliveries were being consistently denied for the last couple of months.
But they’ve just come out and said it. There are no proposed alternatives. Just the occasional food-drop. And the IDF shooting at people waiting on food aid has become just such a regular atrocity that nobody is even talking about it any more.
And now they’ve taken out Al Shifa, they are reoccupying two more hospitals right now. They’ve decided to just finish the job. The healthcare system on life-support wasn’t good enough for them. They want to shut it all down now.
Air drops continue to work just great.
At least 12 Palestinians drown trying to retrieve aid parcels dropped into the sea
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/palestinians-drown-gaza-aid-drop-intl/index.html
Bayan tags herself as Palestinian. Feminist. Journalist. From the river to the sea.
Is your point that it’s no big deal because she’s Palestinian, or she’s lying because she’s Palestinian? Or a feminist or journalist?
No sense beating around the bush, just state the point you’re trying to make.
…clearly and obviously a capital offence.
She supports a 1 state solution and it doesn’t involve Israel.
…you can tell that because she calls herself a feminist?
Or maybe because her tag includes “From the river to the sea.”
…that would be an extraordinary thing to be worried about, considering we’ve had lengthy debate all over the internet about how that phrase means different things to different people. And its not as if we can ask Bayan what she means, because either she is trapped, unable to make contact with the world or because she is dead.
Considering that this is happening right now:
One would think, a few words in the Twitter profile of a young woman who is most likely dead now would be the least of things to be concerned about to be honest, but YMMV.
Because seriously folks. Its really shit the fan right now in Gaza. As bad as everything has been up until now, it’s gotten orders of magnitude worse. It’s almost quaint to be acting as if a few words on a freaking Twitter profile matter right now, when thousands are still dying from bombing every week and millions are on the brink of famine.
They’ve taken out the journalists. They’ve taken out the hospitals. And the latest flash update has made things clear: they are targeting aid warehouses, they are targeting the police, they are destroying the infrastructure for food distribution.
Yeah. I think the concise term for that is “genocide”.
My apologies to our Israeli members (if any are still in this thread) who oppose that action, but that is in fact what the government of Israel and IDF are doing in Gaza.