Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023

True, I am not commuting to Israel, but well documented reports indicate that Israel is exerting state brutality upon Gaza and covering it with state propaganda, both under the tight control of the Netanyahu regime.

Key point to reiterate - if soldiers are killing hungry civilians trying to get aid every single day, there’s something very, very wrong with how that aid is made available. It’s not like this happens everywhere that people are hungry, and I don’t accept any assertion that Gazans are just uniquely uncooperative.

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Step one: I create an impossible situation.
Step two: I tell suffering and starving people how they will get aid, and give them very specific and unworkable instructions.
Step three: Whenever those people behave exactly as I would expect desperate people to behave in the conditions I created, I get scared and shoot them.
Step four: Goto step two.

I have no responsibility for any of this.

Funny.

When I say that exact same thing about the bad actions of my own government I commonly have people say the same thing - I’m in denial, or I’m not informed. You know what? Sometimes they’re right.

^ This.

The Israeli government would be wise to recognize that their actions are obliterating the previously bipartisan consensus that Israel should be favored over the Palestinians. Netanyahu has potentially sown the seeds of the end of American military aid to Israel.

First of all, that’s a really excellent post, Broomstick.

FWIW, I think that Smotrich and ben Gvir really want to kill all the Palestinians. I don’t think Netanyahu has any particular plan or agenda other than “embezzle money and stay out of prison”, but the result may well be the same.

Nothing to see here, just some casual war crimes.

The Israeli military used a 500lb (230kg) bomb – a powerful and indiscriminate weapon that generates a massive blast wave and scatters shrapnel over a wide area – when it attacked a target in a crowded beachfront cafe in Gaza on Monday, evidence seen by the Guardian has revealed.

Experts in international law said the use of such a munition despite the known presence of many unprotected civilians, including children, women and elderly people, was almost certainly unlawful and may constitute a war crime.

I can’t imagine the horror of living in Gaza today. Especially for children. What is being gained that could possibly justify causing lifelong trauma for so many tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of children?

Which Palestinian organizations are currently the “new Hamas” being supported and armed by Israel, the way OG Hamas was initially?

This drug-trafficking paragon and his gang.

So Netanyahu is providing support to violent criminals? What are the chances?

The only explanation that I can come up with is that the intent is to grind it down until there’s nobody left. Whether that’s “accidentally” shooting people seeking aid, or some other nation taking them in, the goal is depopulation.

If someone can posit another explanation, I’m all ears.

Inertia, maybe? Netanyahu doesn’t want to end the war for political reasons, so it just kind of continues forever, creating justifications as they go?

Doesn’t make it any better, of course. Atrocities are atrocities, whether or not they’re motivated by malice, corruption, inertia, or something else.

American contractors (i.e. mercenaries) are in on the carnage:

Two U.S. contractors, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity because they were revealing their employers’ internal operations, said they were coming forward because they were disturbed by what they considered dangerous and irresponsible practices.

They said their colleagues regularly lobbed stun grenades and pepper spray in the direction of the Palestinians. One contractor said bullets were fired in all directions — in the air, into the ground and at times toward the Palestinians, recalling at least one instance where he thought someone had been hit.

“There are innocent people being hurt. Badly. Needlessly,” the contractor said.

Mercs are used for (at best) better plausible deniability. There’s no good reasons to bring in mercs to guard aid distribution sites.

Years from now any decent person still supporting this nightmare is going to look back with deep shame about what they ignored because it was too hard to face the truth.

Has Hamas surrendered and released all the hostages? This is a war zone.

That is entirely irrelevant to my posts.

It has everything to do with it. Any obligation to feed opposing civilians involves preventing opposing military troops from getting supplies.

None of that requires using mercenaries, especially when the mercenaries report to media that some of them are shooting unarmed civilians who pose no threat.

Who does it require?