No, it’s only the dead journalists.
Well, an awfully large fraction of them have been killed by the IDF. I mean, really, it’s a huge toll of journalists compared to any other war. And they are journalists that are considered friends and peers by international journalists, they aren’t mysterious bylines.
…NO.
This is a talking point.
And has nothing to do with the deliberately engineered famine that everybody knows is the responsibility of Israel.
Every single humanitarian agency on the ground agree that Hamas weren’t doing this, not to any verifiable degree that mattered. The famine was engineered by Israel restricting the amount of food and aid allowed in followed by the near total siege for three months by Israel earlier this year, followed by the setting up of only FOUR food distribution points in the south, in central Gaza, but noticeably not in the north.
Everybody on the ground knows who is responsible for this. And people will remember that for generations. That time when Israel starved the people of Gaza. That will forever be their legacy.
If you support the current strategy in Gaza, which includes forced “evacuations” which have confined Palestinians to less than 10% of their land, which includes the flattening of Rafah and the wholesale destruction of houses, churches, mosques, universities, schools, of the destruction of the Gazan healthcare system, of the things that people need to just LIVE, then yes, you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
That didn’t discourage Netanyahu.
In November?
No Biden didn’t.
Why did they threaten to do something you claim they legally couldn’t do?
You know, I knew you were going to object to that article.
But two things:
Firstly: the information is a matter of public record. Everything is independently verifiable, in fact, I personally independently verified it before I posted the link.
I could have chosen one of the links I used to verify it. But I decided: to hell with it. Yesterday, the IDF murdered five Al-Jazeera journalists in Gaza. That was, apparently, the entire Al-Jazeera team on the ground in Gaza. The journalists in Gaza are the best of humanity. They are being hunted like animals.
So yes, that was a link to Al-Jazeera. Thanks for pointing it out. Al-Jazeera reporters don’t deserve to get murdered.
I made no claims about what FDR actually did.
Yes! Its false! I wasn’t claiming he did this!
It was an analogy.
Rubbish.
Condemning things tells us where you stand.
And if you aren’t condemning blatant and obvious war crimes, (and lets be crystal clear about this, Israel commits at least one blatant and obvious war crime every single day in Gaza and the West Bank, often they commit multiple war crimes a day) then It’s fair to assume you support those war crimes. And that goes double for the President of the United States of America.
…there are multiple parties. UNRWA, for example, are NOT Hamas, but they ARE a party. They’ve requested evidence multiple times for multiple accusations so that it could be independently verified. Those requests have been refused.
Or the claims about hospitals. Israel could let international journalists in. But its pretty obvious why Israel won’t let international journalists in. Do you remember when they claimed there was gold hidden under hospitals in Lebanon? So international journalists immediately explored the hospitals looking for that gold but they didn’t find any?
And the reason they didn’t find any gold is because it was all a big fucking lie.
Because the IDF lie all the time.
When information is independently verifiable, it gets caught immediately. Which is exactly why they don’t allow the “evidence” to face independent scrutiny.
Is this a new claim now? Or by “funding” do you mean paying them to do their jobs as journalists? Or do you mean something else?
And other news organisations exist. I doubt that Al Jazeera would object if Israel handed information over to the BBC.
…here is Foreign Press Association president Ian Williams repeating basically everything I just said on CNN: (twitter link)
How about confirmation from respected international news agencies like AP or Reuters? Oh, wait, the IDF won’t let them into Gaza!
I think it’s a good general rule to assume that the party actively preventing journalists from reporting on its actions is probably lying.
And you are ignoring something fundamental here: Hamas has agreed to step down.
The people of Gaza don’t have to “throw off Hamas.” Its already over. It was over the moment Hamas terrorists committed atrocities on October the 7th.
I disagree. If, for example, Israel had opted for a more limited response to 10/7 instead of a full blown invasion, such as the international community could endorse at the time, I think it very unlikely that Hamas would agree to step down by today.
~Max
When have they ever done “limited response”? Massively disproportionate collective punishment has always been their SOP - just look at their punitive demolition policy.
A New York Times opinion piece looks at how government disinformation, media self-censorship, and post-October-7 trauma have led many Israelis to deny or ignore the deliberate starvation of Gazans.
I can tell you that I recently talked to someone in Israel who said that reports of anyone starving were fake news and you are gullible for falling for such propaganda… because that is what she heard on the news.
It is not like any respected journalists can go and report from there.
How? They’re in the middle of a war, being bombed, starved, displaced from their homes, etc. They’re fully occupied just trying to survive.
Ban selling US weapons and spare parts to Israel. They do manufacture a lot of their own, but this would still be pretty crippling AIUI. I don’t think it’s enough leverage to stop the war, but the threat would probably be enough to force Israel to start allowing food and other aid back into Gaza and stop other human rights abuses.
Yeah. Israel let international journalists fly over Gaza, but forbade them from filming. They won’t let any of them in; the journalists are reporting from nearby towns, looking at Gaza through binoculars. And journalists inside Gaza are continually being targeted. How anyone could fail to find this suspicious is beyond me.
Great interview of an Israeli journalist, on Netanyahu and Israel’s plans for Gaza:
It supports something I’ve long argued - Netanyahu’s main goal is to prolong the war in order to stay in power. Further, while starvation of Gazans is not the direct goal of the IDF and GHF, they basically don’t care, which to me is the same thing, functionally speaking, as intentional starvation.
What he is interested in, for his political survival, is prolonging the war. It’s the best excuse for not doing anything else domestically, including not launching an independent investigation of October 7th. His corruption trial would probably be delayed if there’s hectic fighting going on.
Q: Seems like, at the very least, they do not care.
A: That’s my suspicion as well. And you didn’t see a lot of sympathy among Israeli leaders about starvation. Only when the world woke up did this finally become a crisis for the government.
Then how does Aljazeera get its reporter on the ground? Or does it rely on Hamas, etc?
As i pointed out, the President does not have the authority to do so, except on a limited “emergency” basis. And a hostile Congress and SCOTUS would leap on any violations. Not to mention- it would be political suicide.
The USA only supplies 15% of the IDFs budget, and a large portion of that is sophisticated missile defence, vs Iraq. The IDF could easily go on doing what they have been doing in Gaza without American aid.
It would be, at the very least, a start. We, the US, are funding genocide. We should not give israel a dime. It makes us complicit in their crimes.
…what are you disagreeing about?
It was over for Hamas, in some way or the other, after the October 7th atrocities. There was no coming back from that, even with a more restrained response.
They hired locals.
The Democrats have lost the House, the Senate, the Executive and the Supreme Court.
Perhaps their political instincts just aren’t that great. And maybe doing something different wouldn’t have been political suicide after all. Shame we will never find out.
…it sounds like, fortunately, they didn’t get Motasem. He is proving difficult to kill.
Pundits say the Dems should retake the House in 2026, and who knows what’s gonna happen in 2028? Do you want to just give up entirely and let the MAGAs run the nation forever?
Of course- unbiased locals.
Who would never let armed Hamas terrorists tell them what to write.
…pundits said that Harris was going to win. That Hillary Clinton was going to win. The pundits got it wrong. So who knows what is gonna happen in 2026?
I want the exact opposite.
And I think doing the exact same thing they did at the last round of elections is going to end up with the very same result. I think it’s political suicide to adopt the very same failing strategies, and perhaps it’s time to listen to what the American people want instead of the lobby groups.
From Al Jazeera:
Here is video of an Israeli reporter blowing up a house in Lebanon.
Do you think he was unbiased? How many Israeli reporters are former IDF soldiers? It would be nearly all of them, wouldn’t it. So should we be trusting anything coming out of Israel reporting at all, or should we acknowledge that, and take each piece of individual reporting on its merits?
How about all of the reporters in the US that work for Sinclair?
Or BBC reporters who won’t report on things because of DSMA Standing Notice 03?
Bias is inherent. And reporters face restrictions all over the world.
Reporters in Gaza have much more to fear from the IDF than Hamas.
The Gaza media office puts the number at 217. Every single one of them killed by Israeli forces.
The people trying to intimidate Palestinian reporters into silence isn’t Hamas. And most of what we see and hear from Palestinian reporters isn’t written (although some of it is) but much of it is live-streamed. And no, it doesn’t have to be run past a “propaganda office.” No, there aren’t Hamas terrorists just over their shoulders telling them what to say. Live-streaming has a way of bypassing all of that.
Despite the daily threat of getting bombed to oblivion by the IDF, the reporters in Gaza keep turning up. They deserve our utmost respect.
…the IDF have investigated themselves and determined that no, they aren’t responsible for the famine. Those that have died of starvation so far had pre-existing conditions. So they don’t matter. Apparently.
Nothing to see here, folks.
The IDF has a “Legitimization Cell” tasked with finding (or making up) information to blunt criticism of its actions. It sounds like the accuracy of the data is not much of a concern.
A special unit in Israel’s military was tasked with identifying reporters it could smear as undercover Hamas fighters, to target them and to blunt international outrage over the killing of media workers, the Israeli-Palestinian outlet +972 Magazine reports.
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Israel has produced an unconvincing dossier of unverified evidence on Anas al-Sharif’s purported Hamas links, and failed to address how he would have juggled a military command role with regular broadcast duties in one of the most heavily surveilled places on Earth. Israel did not attempt to justify killing his three colleagues.Before the attack, press freedom groups and Sharif himself had warned that Israeli accusations of Hamas links, first made in 2024, were designed to “manufacture consent to kill”. They had been revived and repeated with increasing frequency after his reporting on famine in Gaza went viral.