They were killed by the IDF.
Yes, the IDF released documents seized from Hamas showing he was an active fighter for them. He was even injured in combat in 2017, as Hamas’ own records show.
(Oh, I was talking about al Sharif, but the other 5 also had documentation showing they were Hamas fighters).
Why all the questions? It’s not as if the IDF has a long history of lying after the fact in order to justify mass murder… We should just accept what they have to say, right?
And that’s why these conversations are never productive. Sure, the private media network of the Sheik of Qatar (the same country that’s harboring the leaders of Hamas, by the way) is completely trustworthy - if they say “this guy was not a terrorist” they are clearly truthful. Meanwhile, even if Israel produces Hamas’ own documents showing that these people were Hamas fighters, Israel is clearly lying.
Guys, did you know the leaders of Hamas aren’t even in Gaza right now? That must be why it’s so imperative to obliterate Gaza, starve their civilian population, and concentrate them into smaller and smaller areas, with harder and harder treks to get food!
That will show those Hamas leaders who live elsewhere! This sure explains why it’s so imperative to obliterate Gaza and destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians right now!
Also, IDF says they have documents (unverified by anyone else) proving those journalists who had been reporting for months are Hamas! How dare anyone question these entirely unverified documents from such an honest organization as the IDF?
NVM. Case in point; pointless.
Maybe someone should tell the leaders of Israel and the IDF that the leaders of Hamas are in Qatar, and that the destruction of Gaza doesn’t harm them? Presumably, if they actually wanted to destroy Hamas, that would be good to know?
That would be a great idea if Hamas was, for example, an army of undead led by a necromancer, which would crumble to dust the second the leader died.
Since Hamas is not like that, I’m not sure what killing a few old billionaires in Qatar is meant to accomplish, other than revenge for Oct 7 (and if they “fall” out a window or have a “heart attack” in the next couple of years, I certainly won’t mind). But how would killing those people, as opposed to the fighters and tactical on the ground leaders, help win the war any sooner?
Killing all of those children that will grow up to Hamas terrorists makes the win last longer!
And not only that, but the ones they don’t kill are that much more likely to join Hamas, or its successor, when they grow up; meaning Netanyahu and his allies get years and decades more of exciting, delicious, glorious bloodshed!
The gift that keeps on giving!
…the people of Gaza are tired because the IDF are starving them. Because they are living in tents. Because they’ve been forced to “evacuate” multiple times, and risk being bombed even in the “safe zones.”
Israels strategy isn’t going to result in the “people rising up against Hamas.” Because Israel is funding rival gangs. The goal is to invite chaos.
And you are ignoring something fundamental here: Hamas has agreed to step down.
The people of Gaza don’t have to “throw off Hamas.” Its already over. It was over the moment Hamas terrorists committed atrocities on October the 7th.
Israel will not only push Hamas out of power, but they would also get the remaining hostages back. All they have to do is agree to end the war.
The money comes from the people that support the ethnic cleansing in Gaza? Apparently it does. Perhaps stop taking the money then?
We were literally talking about Jewish people who do not support ethnic cleansing in Gaza. This is a non-sequitur.
Biden didn’t discourage Netanyahu.
And Trump has criticised Netanyahu. He’s contracted him and said there is “real starvation” in Gaza and promised to fund food centres. He’s been every bit as “critical” as Biden has, and just like Biden, continues to fund and provide material support and cover for the “war.”
There is no real difference between the two.
You know what the outcome of this was, right?
Do you remember what happened 30 days later?
Israel had escalated. Things got worse.
Here is the summary for October 15th:
And here is the summary for November 19th:
When challenged at the end of that 30 period, state department officials had this to say:
The 30-day deadline was utterly meaningless. It was a fucking joke. Israel completely ignored it, in fact they escalated. And Biden didn’t follow through.
You miss the point.
It isn’t about what FDR actually did.
It’s about imagining what it would have been like if FDR had done the same as Biden. Which means FDR would be giving unconditional support to Germany. Would be giving them billions of dollars for their concentration camps. Would be defending Germany on the world stage.
Biden doesn’t oppose what Israel is doing to Gaza.
I mean, I’d answer this, however you then say this:
And you don’t see the contradiction here?
You concede he could have done more, but then immediately walk it back because you think it might have been “unpopular.”
But lets start with the article you cited: where
The Biden threatened consequences if Israel didn’t increase the amount of aid in 30 days. At the end of 30 days, there were no consequences.
What Biden and his administration could have done was ensure there were consequences. The threat could have actually meant something.
Other things Biden could have done?
He could have condemned the killing of Hind Rajab.
He could have directed the State Department to stop vetoing resolutions at the United Nations.
He could have not approved the stupid fucking pier and instead simply insisted Israel let more aid and food trucks in.
When the Biden administration said Rafah was a “red line”, that could have meant something. Turns out it wasn’t a red line at all.
Biden could have condemned Israeli war crimes. Condemned the targeted assassinations of journalists. Condemned the attacks on the Gazan healthcare system. He could have treated Isreal the same way him and his administration treated Russia or any other country that flouts the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law.
That would, of course, mean not worrying whether or not this would be “vastly unpopular.” It would mean not worrying about what political donors might think. But thats immaterial here. The question was “what could he have done” and I assume that means "what could he have done if he had a moral backbone. "
…you’ve been challenged over and over again to provide independent verification of any IDF claims.
We did this over hospitals. Multiple hospitals have been targeted, some completely destroyed, and the BEST you can provide is a handful of weapons at Al Shifa and photos and video of near-empty tunnels.
We did this over the computer servers under the UNRWA HQ. UNWRWA claims they have asked Israel for evidence to support the claim they were “Hamas servers”, and you insisted they had provided it. And when I asked you for that evidence you cited a newspaper article that contained no actual evidence they were Hamas servers.
Because here’s the truth: almost none of Israel’s bold claims they’ve made about this conflict have been independently verified.
We reached the point long ago that if an IDF spokesman said it was raining, I’d have to go outside to check. Statements from the IDF have as much credibility as the rantings of Baghdad Bob.
Here is what the BBC has to say:
The claim is that “head of a Hamas terrorist cell and advanced rocket attacks on Israeli civilians and IDF troops.” The evidence of this is…some screenshots of spreadsheets.
The Isreali government want us to believe that these reporters we see on the screen every single fucking day are secretly doing double-duty as heads of Hamas terrorist cells launching rocket attacks, that they are snipers, Captains, intelligence officers.
Instead, I’d put it to you they are trolling. What they want you to believe is getting increasingly absurd. Because they know that people will believe them. And they know they are going to get away with it.
…and it sounds like they got Motasem.
Fucking hell.
Here is his last Tweet:
Jesus fucking christ.
It’s been four hours. No news.
He was funny. Most of his family had already been killed. What a fucking waste.
It was a double tap. They got them as people were arriving to help. (upsetting footage)
Same for Hamas- every attack on a Hamas stronghold never kills anything but women & children. I take what the IDF says with a grain of salt, I dont believe anything coming from Hamas.
Some of the leaders, yes.
Not to mention Hamas who hijack aid food and sell it to their own people.
Cite? A quick google search said that is not true.
No, Many jewish people in the US and even in israel do not support any such thing. They are mad at Hamas for the October attacks, for the continued terrorism, and the failure to release the hostages- who have been mistreated.
He did with the period of Military aid cutoff- which was legal, private calls, and of course aid to gaza.
Netanyahu ignored Biden, Biden cut off weapons for a short period, all he could do legally.
Aljazeera? 
And you claimed he did nothing. Quote “
All false.
Condemning things does nothing.
…there are two parties here. Hamas, and the IDF. Who exactly do you want independent confirmation from? Do you think Al Jazeera is going to admit that they’re funding Hamas fighters? That would lose all the cred they’ve gained with Westerners like you by pretending to be progressive.
I dont see any point to arguing with
Banquet_Bear any longer. who has plenty of cites and facts about how bad things are in Gaza, which I appreciate, but we are going in circles about Biden.
Biden is not currently relevant to the situation. Who cares. Seriously.
No, but the work done by journalists in uncommonly public in nature. We actually know these people were working as journalists. We don’t have to trust anyone to tell us that.
It kinda stains credibility that every single journalist in Gaza is also an active militant.
It’s a good thing that literally no one has ever made that claim, then.