We truly do live in different universes if you consider being a Hamas fighter to be a “nebulous association” with Hamas. Is Sinwar himself only loosely aligned with them too?
Who’s a Hamas fighter? Every journalist killed? Every Gazan civilian killed? AFAICT if someone is on record having delivered coffee to Sinwar’s secretary, he’s a Hamasnik and therefore the IDF counts him as a Hamas fighter.
Like BB said – if Shabat was an enemy combatant based on years-old records, then so is every IDF veteran.
Really, you think Hamas’ internal documents of fighters and martyrs include people who delivered coffee to Sinwar’s secretary? Cite?
The records that show that I’m employed at my company are like 8 years old. Does that mean I quit 7 years ago?
BB is pulling from sources that intentionally obfuscate this by implying these lists haven’t been updated in many years. That this particular terrorist began his terrorism 7 years ago and therefore that’s how old the record listing him as a terrorist is does not mean that he is no longer a terrorist.
The claims: that he “participated in military training” in 2019. Then an assertion without any evidence at all that “during the war, Hossam carried out terrorist attacks against IDF troops and Israeli civilians.”
Thats it. Thats fucking it. There are two screenshots: one of a spreadsheet claiming they are a sniper. And a list of training participants from 2019.
That shouldn’t be enough evidence to put anyone on a “hit list.” And yet here we are. There is zero evidence that he was a “terrorist” and there isn’t anything here to convince me that they were a sniper or that they ever carried out terrorist attacks against IDF troops and civilians.
But if you’ve got access to evidence that shows this then, by all means, feel free to share.
I’m not saying that they are legitimate targets. I am saying that Hamas already treats them as legitimate targets, and therefore the argument that if Israel does this or that then Hamas will target Israeli ex military personnel is not a convincing one.
Nope, because this guy was targeted due to being a Hamas fighter who took part in military action against Israel. There is quite literally no comparison between that and Hamas’ behavior, of butchering children and decapitating foreign Thai workers with shovels.
…you claimed he was a “terrorist.” Now you are claiming they took part in military action against Israel. But there is no evidence that either of those things happened. We have screenshots of two documents: neither of them have been independently verified. I concede he might have received training in 2019. But that isn’t enough to kill him.
He was a reporter. And he was targeted and killed because he was a reporter.
Israel bombs have killed 20,000 children. Israels siege literally caused a famine. Israel’s refusal to allow in the kind of aid desperately needed has killed at least five babies so far from hypothermia. There are thousands of people not able to access healthcare. Tens of thousands sleeping in floodwaters.
I watched babies being scraped up and put into rubbish bags because that was all they had. I saw a little girl who got blown out of her house and she was left hanging by her neck, half of her body blown away.
Nobody is denying the atrocities that Hamas committed on October the 7th and the people responsible for it should be made to pay. But the IDF are also butchering children. They are also decapitating people. Palestinians are people too and they do not deserve this either.
I did not make that argument. Obviously, Hamas did slaughter all those non-combatants. The argument i made was that by your reasoning, they were justified in doing so. You are excusing their actions as ordinary acts of war.
You also appear to be saying that it’s okay if Israel drops to the moral standards of Hamas
@Babale, you never replied to this. Why are you sure Hossam Shabat was an enemy combatant? The “evidence” the IDF has released doesn’t remotely prove this.
…arguably the evidence they have on Shabat is the strongest evidence they have released for any of the journalists they have targeted. I’ve looked at what has been released so far. It’s just unverified screenshots of spreadsheets. Occasionally its “who they worked for.” Sometimes it’s a blurry, out of focus photo.
It’s just impossible to take these accusations from the IDF seriously any more.
While the news coverage has died down over Gaza, its important to understand what is still happening on the ground. The healthcare system didn’t magically get rehabilitated after the ceasefire. Its still on its knees. Essential medical equipment is largely still being blocked, as are medicines and consumables. And people are suffering. And dying.
From a doctor in Gaza:
From another doctor in Gaza:
From “Humanitarian response by the UN and humanitarian partners during the second month of the October 2025 ceasefire”:
I just needed to highlight this. Since the GHF and the IDF have stepped back, the problems with looting and interceptions has gone.
There is, as always, much more at the link. But the picture is quite clear. There have been a substantial increase in the amount of aid getting in. However, that is offset by the fact that the increases are well below what the people of Gaza are needing.
Israel urgently needs to fully comply with the ceasefire agreement. Which means allowing in at least 600 trucks per day. Which means opening the Rafah crossing. Which means they need to stop the daily bombings and attacks.
And they need to let in doctors and nurses and aid workers and independent reporters. They need to let in construction equipment and civil defense teams so the body recovery can be done properly. They need to allow the rehabilitation of the healthcare system. They need to let in temporary housing.
Because what is happening on the ground right now is unconscionable.