Really, now. These aid experts didn’t say that working with Hamas was the only way to deliver aid, and that Israel is a colonialist state therefore they’d be unwilling to work with it to distribute aid?
See, you don’t get to skip from “they’re bozos” to “avoidable civilian deaths” just because “but Trump”. I haven’t seen convincing evidence that this was the case at all.
You have a cite that every single aid expert on Earth said these things? That’d be amazing! If this is true, then GHF wasn’t just the “second worst option”, they were literally the only other option on Earth!
Right. Trumper clowns with zero experience just happened to stumble onto a way to feed and provide sufficient aid for every single hungry Gazan, contrary to every independent report out there about the results of the famine. That’s definitely a strong thread to cling to!
Nope! Amazing how that’s not a claim I made, eh?
These would be the “reports” that’s aid that thousands of people died a day for many days at a time? And then when no one actually could show that even a fraction of that many people died of starvation they just plugged their ears and said “LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS WE WERE RIGHT”? Are those the “results of the famine” you are talking about?
Without journalists, it’s awfully hard to confirm. I guess we’ll see. Do you think there’s any likelihood that zero Gazan civilians died avoidable deaths from lack of aid?
Nope, but I think the biggest barriers to aid distribution have absolutely nothing to do with Israel. During the worst shortages in Gaza, there was plenty of food squirreled away by Hamas already in Gaza. Giving collaborator groups in bed with Hamas more aid would do nothing to change that. Taking aid distribution away from Hamas did change that.
Gaza, of course, is not “without journalists”.
Without independent journalists. IDF-curated and approved journalists obviously don’t count, any more than Trump’s favorite reporters would count.
…you have provided zero credible evidence of this. And the amount of food needed to be “squirrelled away” in order to contribute significantly to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza would be impossible to hide in the books.
Parts of Gaza descended into famine because the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation were incompetent, bumbling fools. Because hundreds of food distribution points were reduced down to just four. Because the GHF had no food distribution in the north.
If by “terrorist collaborators” you mean “working with the legitimate governing authorities” then you should say that because the former suggests they are actually in collaboration with terrorist activities whilst the latter is just what aid agencies do all around the world.
Because the priority is getting aid to people, and you need to cooperate with the governing authorities in order to do so. Because when you don’t do that, you end up with the complete fucking disaster you got when Israel and the IDF took over.
Once again on GHF’s watch parts of Gaza went into famine. Now that GHF are no longer in control of food distribution, the famine has ended. These are undeniable facts. Both Israel’s siege and GHF poor distribution strategy caused the famine.
2500 people were reportedly killed trying to get aid from the GHF. 18,000 were injured. These aren’t theoretical deaths. It isn’t “propaganda.” They were wiped from the registry. Zero people have been shot and killed trying to get food from aid distribution points since the GHF packed up and left. Because shooting people trying to get food just isn’t fucking normal. The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is indefensible.
UNRWA has a mandate from the UN to do the job they are doing, and Israel need to stop interfering with them. They have been asked over and over again to provide evidence for the many allegations they have made over the years, and they have failed to do so. It’s important to read the advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice released in October:
(Bolding mine) There is no justification for the continued vilification of UNRWA and its affiliates.
These are the kind of shenanigans Israel has been doing for decades:
When we talk about how much “aid” is being allowed into Gaza a reminder that the number of trucks includes both legitimate aid and commercial businesses bringing in items for sale. And so far Israel have only ever let in no more than half of what was agreed upon in the ceasefire. More from the article:
Let’s be crystal clear on what the Americans found here. They thought the impediments to getting aid through to Palestinians in Gaza would have been logistical. But they are almost entirely political. Tent poles are “dual use” and are banned. Except if a business wants to sell them.
Israel are deliberately inflicting on Palestinians in Gaza conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. There can be no other conclusion. Israel are fully capable of ending this humanitarian disaster. That they are not is a deliberate choice.
…its too late to edit, but I intended to say “GHF” instead of “IDF”.
Al Jazeera news has at least 4 named reported in Gaza.
What do they have to say about the famine?
…they are Palestinians living in Gaza. Every single journalist (not embedded with the IDF) in Gaza are Palestinians currently living in Gaza that are often either employed or contracted by outside organisations like Reuters or Al Jazeera.
I don’t want to speak for iiandyiiii, but in this context “independent journalists” really means foreign journalists that cannot be accused of the inherent “bias” that Palestinian journalists are constantly being accused of.
Yes, that’s what I meant since Babale has made it clear he does not trust Palestinian journalists.
If they are named and known to Hamas then their reporting is subject to control by Hamas.
…one of the largely untold story about the deliberate, targeted assassination’s of journalists in Gaza isn’t about the killings of the journalists themselves.
But its the story of their families.
Because many of those journalists weren’t targeted while they were working in the field. They were targeted in their homes. While they were sleeping. Killing wives, husbands, grandparents, children, babies.
For example this from 2023:
It was a pattern that started in the early days of the war and continues to today.
Back in January 2024 Heba Al-Abadla was killed in her home along with her daughter and other family members.
And to give you an idea of how total the devastation is in Gaza right now her body was only recovered last week.
So when you say things like “if they are named and known to Hamas then their reporting is subject to control by Hamas” then I’d really like to know where you got this information from. I’m not so arrogant to proclaim that no reporting was ever subject to control by Hamas. However much of the reporting out of Gaza is live-streamed. And much of what isn’t is just straight up reportage. There isn’t any need to be “subject to Hamas control” because the reality on the ground is horrific enough.
And none of that justifies deliberately targeting journalists because if it does then American journalists embedded with the IDF are also legitimate targets. Their reporting is ALSO subject to IDF approval and control. We should be loudly condemning the killing of journalists in Gaza. As we should be condemning the targeted killings of doctors and nurses and aid workers and academics in Gaza.
Many of the supposed “reporters” aren’t just known to Hamas, they appear on Hamas’ own internal lists, sometimes as fighters and other times as paid propagandists.
…there is of course no independent verification of these claims. The IDF for example would have us believe that Hussam Shabat, who I followed on Twitter and was posting news reportage all day and night was also doing super-secret-double duty as a sniper. The only evidence of this was a spreadsheet and some documents from 2019. Even if he was a sniper in 2019, if that made him a legitimate target for assassination then every former IDF sniper, even if they now work as journalists, are also legitimate targets.
Or, more pointedly, every Israeli who ever served in the military is a legitimate target for Hamas, including most of those young adults kidnapped and murdered on October 7th.
I reject that interpretation of legitimate targets. I think it’s disgusting when applied to Israelis, and also when applied to Palestinians.
Every Israeli and every Arab citizen of Israel and every Thai foreign worker is a “legitimate” target for Hamas, whether they have history in the IDF or are a literal baby. What the hell is this nonsense? “Oooooh no, now Hamas will target your civilians!” I don’t know if you saw the news, but Hamas eagerly and brutally murdered hundreds of civilians, including children, by hand; they decapitated Thai foreign workers who have nothing to do with Israel or Zionism with a shovel, because that’s the sort of people they are.
“Oh no, if you kill Hamasniks you will give them an excuse to murder Israeli civilians” is literally the worst argument I can think of.
The point is that it’s wrong to call someone an enemy combatant just based on some nebulous association with the IDF, and it’s also wrong if that nebulous association is with Hamas.