I hope progressives get this important message. Some take D victory in 2020 for granted and look at this election as an opportunity for something special: first woman, first socialist, whatever. Nope. This election can be lost easily if the wrong candidate is nominated.
Hillary was a heroine to many Ds. I don’t see Harris or Booker as clearly better than Hillary — just the opposite. Especially if they are running against an incumbent with a strong economy.
I hope I’m wrong. I hope 20 months from now, D’s will sweep to power in a landslide and Dopers will be laughing at asahi and me. But I think the election will be close. In preparing for this critical election it’s better to be a little too pessimistic than too optimistic.
Being a heroine to people that were always going to vote for you doesn’t move the polls much. Obama as an inspirational figure dragged a lot of people out to vote who otherwise might not have bothered. Hillary Clinton for the most part did not have the same impact and when she did it was very localized and therefore not that useful( like in CA ). Quite the contrary - manufactured outrage or not, she was a polarizing figure and energized some to vote against her who otherwise might not have bothered. Her particular set of baggage may not have been unique, but it was unusual.
IMHO not even Warren would be as vulnerable to the Republican political machine as H. Clinton was. Maybe if Pelosi ran. But barring that I’m inclined to regard the Hillary campaign as the worst case scenario, not the standard.
And we can’t rule out the possibility that Trump’s people may have (out of sight of the public) opened doors for the Kremlin to play a more active role in 2020—to the point of actually hacking the vote totals.
So nothing should be taken for granted, numbers-wise.
I think there is far too much pessimism. First of all, Hillary ran a terrible campaign. As a slogan, “I’m With Her” sucked big time. QUOTE]Yeah, I’m not a big Hillary Clinton fan, but have nothing against her. It would be hard to follow what a great man Obama is/was.
No, perhaps not a great fantastic President, but a good decent guy.
But the option was a moronic criminal. And people voted for him.
I’m just looking forward to his inevitable death and awkward memorial service. I’m hoping his memorial marker is a largish wall, like Oscar Wilde got in Paris. And instead of lip prints it is covered with human feces.
Lovely, but too intentional. I want something formally consecrated for him to be perpetually desecrated. But really, I want him to live long enough to see his daughter and son in law performing the traitor’s dance at the end of a rope first.
I hear ya. I had that post some months ago where I fantasized that he’s sitting in a jail cell. Wife’s divorced him, kids are in jail (the guilty ones, any way), money and properties confiscated and he’s wondering how it all came about. I didn’t suppose he’d ever conclude that it all started with his ego-trip presidential campaign. In actuality I think an Edward Snowden-style saga is much more likely.
Yes, Trump is already salting the ground of ‘electoral fairness in 2020’ to make sure that his followers reject any GOP losses.
But responsible people are working to make sure that spotlights are trained on races, and that any claims of misconduct are examined. The problem will be finding enough spotlights (metaphorically speaking) to make all races visibly fair.
I’d like to see the US invite credentialed election monitors from international organizations of good repute to oversee what happens in November 2020 (and the run-up). As the wikipedia article has it:
President Toxic Chewbacca Fartz, and reading material? I see a lot of dust collection happening. Then again, it would be nice that that’s all he’d be allowed - no tv, no phone (:eek: no twitter!), just boring, unintelligle (to him) books, probably rife with all that fake news deep state stuff. The only visitor he’d be allowed is Pelosi. And maybe Yamiche Alcindor.
We’re ELEVEN years into a bunch of people not accepting the 2008 election, not to mention the 2012 election.
The problem is that the whacked out nut job conspiracy theorists (read: people who don’t believe Obama was legitimately president) will still not accept those groups’ findings because, after all, wink, wink, those idiots just absolutely know who’s behind them. They are never going to accept anything or anyone that even intimates that there’s a possibility, even a remote one, that their hero is not the bestest unpresidented candidate running. And, of course, this is in direct contradiction to the actual evidence of who it is that’s been pulling off the electioneering and election fraud in recent memory (hint: 'tain’t the Democrats, bubba).
Human feces which have been imprinted with the actual lips of Messrs. McConnell. Ryan, Graham, and others too numerous to list. As well as those of Mlles. Conaway, Huckabee-Sanders, DeVos, and others too numerous to list.
Sorry, the moment of death is over far too soon for sufficient suffering to take place. That’s an adjunct to my [del]argument[/del] statement pointing out the unarguable fact that the death penalty has always been morally wrong, every circumstance (no less for the monsters of today than for Yeshua Ben Miriam two thousand years ago).
Sometimes it’s the “small” stuff that boggles my mind the most. Things that would have been treated as multiday scandal stories in the past are not “above the fold” in this era. Like Chuck Grassley, a major Republican senator and not one known to be a Trump critic, saying Trump’s comments on wind power were “idiotic”. Can you imagine the uproar if a prominent Democratic senator had said that about Obama? But now it’s like “well, yeah, he’s sort of an idiot, we all know that, so…” :smack:
