Ditzy Darva, Ms. Millionaire

Let’s recap the score so far:

Now I’ll take my crack at things-- how about “someone kicked in the teeth by love who was willing to try finding romance in an unconventional way?” And no, that’s not intended as a euphemism.

Fact: A couple of years ago, a guy in Washington State (I think), decided that he had had enough of the dating scene, and arranged a stunt by which he would marry, sight-unseen, a willing woman that his friends decided was right for him. Several dozen women applied, and the friends selected the one they though best. These two strangers wed, and as far as I am aware, are living happily together several years later.

So what is the major difference here? The fact that Rick Rockwell (nee Richard Balkey) was billed as a multi-millionaire? Has anybody heard Conger express that the only reason she participated in this was because the guy was a millionaire? The women agreeing to marry the guy in Washington did the same thing without the lure of dollar signs, so why is it a foregone conclusion that Conger was motivated solely by money?

I submit that it is entirely possible that Conger was motivated less by the idea of a financial windfall from this stunt-- remember, agreement to a pre-nuptual contract was a condition of participating, meaning that if the marriage didn’t take, neither did she-- than by a desire to get married to a stable, successful man. According to interviews with the other contestants that I’ve read, Conger came off backstage as being one of only a few women who actually wanted to get married, rather than just be on t.v. If she was some sort of transparent gold-digger, I’d assume that these women would be the first to dish that opinion out.

I’ve been in several serious relationships that ended painfully, and I can see how some people faced with that same situation-- as Conger had recently been dumped by a longtime boyfriend-- could throw their hands up in despair and decide to approach romance from an unorthodox angle. I see nothing wrong with the idea of marrying someone you’ve never met. Traditional wedding vows did not assume that the couple were already in love with each other, becuase in most instances, they were not. It was merely expected that the parties would agree to do their best to learn to love their partner. Who’s to say that that’s not the attitude that Conger went in with?

Sure, the big hook for most people was that Rockwell was a “multi-millionaire.” Certainly, if FOX offered a show called “Who Wants to Marry an Unemployed Guy With No Ambition,” it’d be hard to come up with takers. But who can say that if the show was billed as the slightly less pithy “Who Wants to Marry a Financially Stable Middle-Class Guy With a Good Job,” Conger wouldn’t have been there too? In this case, maybe “multi-millionaire” was a read as a proxy for “ambitious, hard-working, and successful,” not just “a bank account with a dick.”

We all know that this marriage failed, but is there any reason to assume that Conger somehow was to blame? Anyone who saw the last five minutes of the show saw Rockwell, within seconds of meeting her, planted a kiss on Conger that my parents, married for 35 years, would think is overly passionate. Clearly, the guy assumed that he was “buying” a shortcut to the physical intimacy that married people share. What, in fact, he was buying was the opportunity to get to know and build a future with a marriage-minded woman who appeared to share his interests. Had the guy behaved like a gentleman that night on stage-- like a peck on the cheek and some humble thanks to the woman-- who knows what might have come from all of this?

But hey, if it makes you feel superior to hurl vituperative, stereotyped opinions of this woman out, don’t let compassion or reason stand in your way. To those colorful folk quoted above, what’s your opinion of Rockwell?

I feel as sorry for her as I do Marla Maples.

I think “whore” is an appropriate term. She should thank God that he didn’t force himself on her. “Honeymoon” generally follows a marriage, sweetheart.

As for him, well he’s just pathetic.

Before the thing aired I denounced Fox for their participation in this fiasco. And I can proudly say that I did not watch it based on principle. I wish the rest of the country would have followed suit.

Well, sometimes some have to call somebody vituperative, stereotypical, discompassionate, and unreasonable to feel superior. Whatever.

And, no, I don’t care for Mr. Rockwell’s participation in this sham, either. However, Ms. Conger immediately started to actively seek out the talk show circuit, claiming she was a victim. Cries of “I am not an airhead” sound too much like “I am not a crook.” Sorry, I don’t buy it.


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I also think that people are being too hard on Darva Conger. How many of you have never met someone in a bar that in your alcohol-enhanced opinion you thought was cute, but the next morning, waking up next to them in a hangover, you realize that you’ve gotten yourself involved with someone that you’re going to have to ask to leave without getting them angry? Those of you who’ve never made a single stupid mistake in your entire life hold up your hands.

An even closer analogy occurred to me when I thought about several news stories I’ve read or seen about American men who’ve gone to Russia to meet women and marry them after knowing them for just a few days. Many of them seemed to be Rick Rockwell types - 40-ish; usually already married several times or at least with a long string of failed relationships behind them; control freak types who may or may not have struck their wives or girlfriends whenever they contradicted them; blowhards that may really be rich or may just be good at appearing to be rich. In short, they’re the kind of jerks who, when they discover that all the women in the U.S. are wise to their game, go to another country to find someone new to exploit.

Touche!

Well, let’s see:

Wordly abuse? “Complete moron.” Check.

Oversimplified opinion lacking individual distinguishing qualities? “Consummate golddigger.” Check.

“Discompassionate and unreasonable” are a little more subjective (and to a large extent, addressed more to your more scathing contemporaries than to your original post). But I stand by that characterization in light of your utter failure in your follow-up post to rail against Rockwell in the same terms as you chose for “Ditzy Darva.” (Oops! Another stereotype!)

It seems to me, in the cosmic balance of things, this guy shoulders far more of the blame for this train wreck of an idea. If Conger is a “moron” for agreeing to marry a perfect stranger, so is Rockwell. (Let me beat you to the counterpoint that “at least he got to see them all and decide who to pick.” So what’s the appropriate epithet for that kind of man-- “manipulative?” “a John?” “cautious consumer?”) Ditto for allowing the focus of the show to be placed solely on money, rather than on any meaningful personal characteristics. Oh, and “actively seek out the talk show circuit?” Perhaps you missed the footage of the groom appearing on some radio show to tearfully apologize. Not to Conger, mind you, but to the producers of the show who may “lose their livelihood” over the cancellation.

On these traits (and leaving aside the additional factors of Rockwell’s concealment of the prior court order, a possible misstatement of his wealth and credentials, and his boorish behavior towards Conger in the last 5 minutes of the show), I’d say that Rockwell merits at least as much scorn and derision as you choose to heap on Conger. But I haven’t heard anybody calling him names. The best you can muster is

Wow. Just imagine if you had exercised such restraint in the original post. I’m sure you would have prompted lots of discussion with a post consisting of “I don’t care for Darva Conger.” But instead, you assailed her character, motivation, and intelligence, and spared Rockwell from the same harsh judgment.

Let’s face it, you’re far more willing to abrasively criticize her than him. I’d love to see some detailed self-analysis as to why.

I think they’re both complete losers. Money doesn’t make the man, and a successful marriage has to be based on something more than The Almighty Dollar - which was the bottom line of the whole stupid TV show: “Which gold digger will marry money tonight?” Anyone (male or female) who would participate in such a base, tacky, disgusting thing deserves all the public humiliation and disrespect they get.

I’m not even sure how to respond to something this absurd. Marriage is (or should be) about love and respect and trust. How much of ANY of these things exist between total strangers? Not saying that, for example, arranged marriages don’t ever work - but who in their right mind would want to promise themselves for life to a complete stranger?!? Jesus!


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1 a archaic : to make disloyal
b : to seduce from chastity
2 a : to lead away from virtue or excellence
b : to corrupt by intemperance or sensuality

hey hey hey nurlman…

I could never compete with your astuteness in the written word but let me just say this:

When you haul yourself out on public TV then you are fair game…don’t believe it? then read the enquirer and globe at your local grocery stand. If you want anonimity then keep your ass at home cause once you have stepped into the kleig lights baby…you can’t go home again.

Most people that appear on tv with the exception of the game show contestant genre etc etc have some kind of talent ie… acting, music,juggling magic etc… those that appear for the sole purpose of doing something moronic are morons and are open to any kind of critisim the public decides to handout.

It’s not that both Rick and Darva didn’t have hours even days to think this through… they did…They both were expecting what the rest of us have to wait and work for and cultivate and which some of us never get…in her case, a handome movie star type with a bag of money and in his case, a good looking unobtainable(for him) piece of ass that he hoped to get by simply appearing on a dumbass television show. How many ways can you say the words “Whore” and “John”.

So get a grip nurlman…
In summation: In my opinion ( and I am entitled to it) that makes them both morons…ok?


“I’m the best there is Fats. Even if you beat me, I’m still the best.”
(Paul Newman in The Hustler)

No big whoop. Whenever you compete against 49 other bimbos to sell your own flesh to some scumbag as the highest bidder on a television show, you shouldn’t get upset whenever people call you a ho (that is, however, just my opinion). Especially when you cry out “I am not an airhead” on Entertainment Tonight and Extra, well, that narrows the possibilities quite a bit. Rockwell didn’t participate in a competition with 49 other millionaires in a prime time spectacle yclept “Who wants to Marry an airhead”.

Were I to invoke reason, as you suggest, I would participate in a show called “How to Marry a Stable, Successful person that doesn’t have a million dollars but would treat you as a partner and a person, and not as an ornament”. Regardless of how desperate, hurt, rejected, dumped or unorthodox I had become, appearing on “Who wants to Marry a Millionaire” would be on my list of things to do somewhere between immolation and fucking a goat.

So, my opinion of Darva should be based on how cute I think she is while in an alcohol-induced haze? Feh.

And, no, I’ve never awakened in a hangover next to someone, regretting that I have brought them home from a bar the night before, thank you very much.


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Sometimes, Nurl, a cigar IS really a cigar. This skeevy woman volunteered to marry a total stranger, based solely on his bank account. This indicates a greedy, money-driven, self-indulgant women with NO self-respect. Do you think she should be excused for her mercenary tendancies because she didn’t think she’d actually be chosen? Sorry, that doesn’t work at all. My comments about her stand.

As for the second part of your statement, please allow me to direct your attention to the name of the thread: “Ditzy Darva, Ms. Millionaire.” If you’ll look closely, you’ll see no mention of or reference to Mr. Got-Rocks there, and only passing mention of him in the original post. So please forgive me if I was addressing the issue at hand instead of a related one. Do feel free to start your own “Rick Rockwell is a misunderstood romantic” thread, though…

But if you really want to know my opinion of ol’ Rick, I think he’s just as skeevy and mentally twisted as she is - maybe moreso, since his willingness to participate in this pathetic spectical gave the show its “legs,” so to speak. If he (or any other creepy rich guy) hadn’t been willing to pimp himself this way in the first place, poor Ms. Misguided might never had made her {sarcasm}unfortunate “mistake.”{/sarcasm}


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Um… could it be… because this thread is called “Ditzy Darva, Ms. Millionaire”? You wanna talk about him, start a thread about him, probably just as many people will show up. THIS thread is about HER so of course people are focusing on HER.

And no, I’ve never taken someone home from a bar and slept with them either.



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Glad I am not the only one who thinks darva acted like a bitch these last few days.

I didn’t watch the show, mainly because I rarely watch TV and out-in-ozone is my native habitat. So I’m going from the bits and dibs from news show interviews.

Darva struck me as somewhat of a ditz, but at least she took responsiblity for what she’d done. Sounded to me like she did it for a lark and a grand gesture. But still her reactions were screwy. I would have thought the lark would have lasted until fittings for the wedding gown.

One comment of hers really boggled the mind: the yucky kiss just after the wedding showed “a lack of respect for her”. That’s when my will to think the best fizzled out. Of course I can’t fathom how anyone could have gotten through rehearsals for that fiasco without having second thoughts, much less waiting until the cameras are rolling and the whole tawdry parade was in motion.

Several other opinions:

  • if Darva was a ditz, Rockwell was a total bottom feeder. His self justifications made me ill. The worst: watching the women pose and turn and preen made him feel “humble”. They’d never even met him; they were parading the goods for his bank account.

  • the stance that Darva “owed” him sex is repellent. Sex isn’t an obligation, and particularly not in this instance. It was a sham marriage for TV ratings. I say good for her that she at least retained enough self respect to keep her distance and immediately seek an annulment. I’m not excusing her role in creating the situation. But fair’s fair. Sex-on-demand would have removed the last vestige of decency in this nauseating mess.

So…if we’re apportioning blame here, I accord her more slack. It’s possible to do something stupid and get caught up in the momentum…though this one is a real lulu. But at least she admitted she made a huge mistake. But he was the “multimillionaire” jerk in it from the beginning and he’s still trying to cast himself as a romantic good guy with a few anger issues.

What a tawdry, disgusting mess. What’s next? Celebrity autopsies?

Veb

While both parties (or do we count all 51?) to the spectacle probably rate some derision, or hoo-hawing at the least, I think the gal is the focus because she is the one who abrogated the deal and then went tres public about it.

tbea925 and OpalCat,

Congratulations for never having gone home with someone you’ve picked up at a bar. Neither have I (but, well, not that I could find anyone that desperate anyway). My point that if you despise Darva Conger for being stupid enough to marry someone three minutes after she first sees him, you should also despise anyone stupid enough to pick up someone in a bar and take them home. That’s a lot of people. Darva and Rick are idiots, but unlike most people, they acted like idiots on TV.

Name-calling aside, the thing that bothered me most was Darva’s appearances on the talk shows. She seemed to me to be putting him down and telling everyone how wonderful she is and how creepy he is. I really felt that she would have done better to go home and keep her mouth shut.

Also Diane Sawyer’s comments during the interview: “how could you!”, “what in the world were you thinking!”, etc. were totally asinine. She and Darva made a good pair.

Rick was probably lucky to escape with what few shreds of his dignity he had left. He seems rather pathetic to me.

Well, since despite comes from the same root as spectacle (specere, to look at), which is what the whole thing is, it seems that the reaction would fit. I certainly have no plans to look up to either one of these people (Rockwell or Conger), nor do I admire those who sleep around while participating in the bar scene.


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Wendell: So… you’re saying that a night of sex with an unchoice partner is just as stupid as MARRYING someone you’ve never met, just because they are rich? Um… call me zany but I think marriage is a bit more important and it takes a bit stupider of a person to just “whoops” into it like that.



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My feeling exactly, Opal. I did go home once with someone I’d met in a bar - it ended up being an almost 11-year relationship, fraught with manny problems. Suffice it to say, just about any relationship that goes instantly from “Nicetameetcha” to sex and/or marriage is going to be a mess, but marrying three minutes after you meet is insane - just from the legal/paperwork headache standpoint alone (not to mention the inherent brain damage from attaching yourself permanently to someone you don’t even know).

I’m not proud of my one-night stand, but it ended up not being one night at all, and even though I invested 11 years in that relationship, I’m still thrilled that I had the wherewithal to not marry a guy that was wrong for me, thereby adding to the hassles of getting free again. One-night stands are generally a bad idea (and BOY did I learn my lesson!), but marrying on sight is just plain ignorant.

Frankly, I think they deserve each other. Couple of complete low-life morons, to my thinking. It’d serve them right to have to STAY married!


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“Not everybody does it, but everybody should.”

Who’s to say that this isn’t what Conger thought she was getting into? Fine, FOX plays up the fact that he’s a millionaire, but there’s nothing inherently contradictory between “stable, successful and would treat you as a partner and person” and “millionaire.” Conger had no reason to assume that Rockwell was anything but a person willing to treat her as a partner until he walked up and sucked her tongue out of her mouth.

I bring up Rockwell only because people seem to be so willing to viciously trash Conger for this stunt but don’t paint him with the same brush. And I’m curious as to why that is. Does he get a pass in all of this because “men are jerks, and it’s not surprising he’d make a bunch of women parade around in bathing suits to stroke his ego?” Or is Conger so reprehensible because “women shouldn’t be so desperate to get a husband that they’ll debase themslve like this?”

My underlying point is that the totally lopsided criticism of Conger without anyone also attacking Rockwell is just a manifestation of sexist stereotypes on the part of the initial posters. If Conger is a whore, then Rockwell is a John, and somebody should have pointed that out. (And don’t give me this “the OP was about her, not him” stuff. Several of these anti-“Who Wants” threads are across this board and the criticism of Conger is ten times more prevalent than criticism of Rockwell.)

To each their own. You’re making an assumption that “love and respect and trust” have to exist as a precondition to marriage. That’s your personal view of marriage and you’re entitled to it. But other people have forged successful marriages based only on an agreement to work towards finding these things with each other as time goes on. With a divorce rate in America above 50%, it’s fair to say that many people like you who go into marriages thinking that they already have found a partner who shares that love, trust, and respect turn out to be wrong more often than not. If you want to be a starry-eyed romantic about love and marriage, that’s fine, but to say that it’s “absurd” for people to go into marriage with little knowledge about each other but a firm conviction to work towards building a loving relationship is quite closed-minded. Go ask your grandparents how much they knew about each other before they were married-- odds are they knew far less about each other than you would be willing to go into a marriage knowing about your partner.

Um… I haven’t brought up my feelings about Ole Rick because the thread isn’t about him. I think he’s a sleaze and at least as icky as Darva, but we weren’t talking about that so of course you’re not hearing it.
I mean, if I had a thread about abortion, and you came in saying “I notice that everyone is saying X about abortion, but no one is bringing up assisted suicide” people would think you were loonie. Much as you seem here.



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