Sikhism is descended from Islam, by the way. It’s kind of a fusion of Islam and Hindu mysticism. They recognize their God as being identical to the Abrahamic God.
This is getting old.
Except that the God my father and sisters worship apparently has a penis, though he hasn’t a body, and a blood-son with whom he is identical. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Christians of a certain stripe to say that, since their beliefs about God are incompatible with Muslim beliefs, that they are not worshipping the same deity.
Sorry about that. I was under the impression is was extinct. It seems that there is a small population still practicing. Ha! Ignorance fought.
Jews obviously do not recognize the possibility of a Triune God. I think it’s interesting, though, that most Christians don’t see a difference between their own conception of God and the Jewish one, but they think Allah is something totally different. In actuality, the Jewish and Islamic concepts of God are virtually identical (and mutually recognized as such), and it’s the Christians that are off the reservation.
Do they think they worship the same God as the Jews?
Given that you concede that, why do you then aver that trinitarian Christians, in saying that they do not worship the same deity as Muslims, are incorrect?
I honestly do not know. I vigorously avoid conversations about religion with all my family except for my wife, my son’s sister, and my baby sister.
Having said that, I have heard clergymen in my father’s denomination claim that non-Christian Jews are damned and worshipping a false God. I do now know that he believes this, and to my knowledge it is not an official Church of God in Christ doctrine.
Not unless you totally trivialize the concept. Our God never became mortal, and never had sons (not counting the ones in Genesis, that is). I’ve never understood the concept of the Holy Ghost, but I learned that God has no body and no form, and so I don’t see how they are different. And it is nothing like the polytheistic roots of Judaism. The saints, on the other hand, seem to have taken on many of the characteristics of the minor gods of the Romans, being assigned specialties.
Except for showing up in the wrong place, I’d think that Mohammed had a lot more of the characteristics of the Messiah than Jesus did. It would be an interesting study.
As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t; though I make that basis on the term being defined as the belief in a single god. I don’t think that the arguments of inclusive monotheism, trinitarian monotheism, pantheism, etc should be included under this blanket term. They are related, but distinct from the practical belief in a single, unbroken, deity.
To answer your question specifically, I don’t think that trinitarian monotheism should be, or is a valid term. That practice would be better defined as polytheism, and would be called such if not for the special status of christianity in western society. It is described as :
Simply replace the “supernatural beings or spirits, which may include ancestors, demons, wights and others” with saints and angels and other members of the heavenly host.
Because they are incorrect. Muslims identify their God as being the same as the Christian one. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, and even that he was born of a Virgin. They just think the Christians are mistaken about him being the son of God. This is theologically closer to Christianity than Judaism, but you don’t typically hear Christians saying that the Jewish God is not the same as the christian God.
The Christians making that claim are incorrect in the Muslim point of view.
Suppose I were serious about worshipping Athena. Suppose further I claimed that, while the Athena I worship is identical to the one to whom the Parthenon was dedicated, that the common conception of her is incorrect: that she was in no way related to Zeus, but rather that his worshippers co-opted her myths ages past and attempted to subordinate her to him, and that any claim that she leapt full-formed & full-armored from his forehead are incorrect. Mightn’t a worshipper of the Olympians as described in Bulfinch then say, that “Yeah, I know Skald claims he worships the same Athena as we do, but that’s not true,” and have a reasonable argument?
May I ask why you are privileging the Islamic viewpoint to the evangelical Christian?
What do you take the meaning of the phrase “the sons of God saw the daughters of men” to mean, may I ask?
I’m not challenging, just wondering.
This should be “The **Muslims **making that claim are incorrect in the **evangelical Christian **point of view.”
Sorry, I was distracted by work. 
If you don’t want to take part in the discussion, it is a simple matter merely to refrain from taking part. Adherents of the religions in question do not consider that they are imagining anything, and you can either accept that premise and debate meaningfully, or take yourself off to any of the other 5,479 “God doesn’t exist, silly!” threads on the Dope.
I think that is one of the legends left over from polytheistic times, when all gods had children, and edited into Genesis by the same editors who saw no problem with putting contradictory versions of the creation right next to one another. They get explained away, but mostly just ignored. They were nonpersons in my Hebrew School books. They are also about as far from what Jesus was supposed to be as you could get.
I’m sure there is tons in the Talmud explaining them, but I don’t know it.
The Orthodox explanation is that they were angels.
I can’t speak to what Chessic intended, but… I think there is a relevant question there.
Suppose we take it as a given that there is at least one “god,” whatever that means. How could we tell if two people were talking about the same one?
I’ve had conversations with different members of the same Christian denomination who seemed to be talking about different concepts of God.
I don’t see that as not participating, or thread shitting, or what have you. Perhaps could have been phrased differently, but it gets at the same question I have about this OP. What does it mean to worship the same god?
Clearly the big three disagree on some characteristics of god. Accepting that a god exists, at least two of them must be wrong about some or many details. Doesn’t that mean their gods are not the same? What makes them the same? Is it just the shared written material, which is a just a subset of each religions writings?
Personally, the most common sense definition to me is that they are the same god if the adherents/leaders of the religions agree that they are the same god.
I am neither a student of history nor religion, so I’m prepared to be educated by those with more informed viewpoints, of course.
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This is essentially what I’m wondering.
Should I ask about Ahkenaton?